Friend of a Friend (FOAF) IRC Chat Logs for 2003-08-04

00:03:24 <danbri>http://www.gregstorey.com/airbag/introvertster/

00:15:09 * Cardinal laughs.

02:15:04 <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. Thank you again for your patience this morning. The news page (http://freenode.net/) has been updated with server status information, including a brief outage scheduled for later this morning. Thanks!

05:59:32 <JibberJim> Hey nym, how you doin' preparing for BM?

05:59:40 <nym> good!

05:59:51 <nym> we are looking pretty solid

06:00:02 <JibberJim> Cool, and still 3 weeks or so to go?

06:00:08 <nym> about that

06:00:10 <nym> it's close

06:00:20 <nym> i haven't bought my EL wire or tickets yet

06:01:12 <nym> but we have a truck that's hauling us

06:01:23 <nym> and the terminals are about done

06:01:40 <JibberJim> cool! and the software's all written and working?

06:01:54 <nym> well we gave up on a lot of software

06:02:02 <JibberJim> ah :-)

06:02:08 <nym> we were going to collaborate with playainfo

06:02:16 <nym> but that became a *huge* problem

06:02:33 <nym> they're not interested in collaborating utimately

06:02:40 <nym> so we'll be running a few services

06:02:43 <JibberJim> That's a shame.

06:02:44 <nym> but not a huge ammount

06:03:09 <nym> free blogs, thingster, and i hope a mapserver

06:03:21 <nym> maybe we'll get more but i doubt it

06:03:27 <nym> oh, geoimages i hope

06:03:42 <nym> i'm doing a timelapse

06:03:52 <nym> so writing geoimages on the spot would be nice

06:03:55 <JibberJim> That'd be good!

06:04:28 <nym> i just need to write a lil tool

06:04:36 <nym> or modify a webcam app

06:04:41 <nym> probably the second

06:04:43 <nym> for now

06:04:58 <nym> or something to just associate a lat/long with a jpeg

06:05:19 <JibberJim> yeah as long as everything is timestamped the same you can sync up later if need be.

06:05:27 <nym> yup

06:06:20 <nym> one (commerial) app already can take a roll of images and a gps waypoint file and do the rest

06:06:34 <nym> i'd like to do that for OSS though

06:06:47 <JibberJim> That doesn't sounds like the sort of thing that's difficult enough not to be a quick OSS project.

06:07:04 <nym> of course not

06:07:22 <nym> it's just my time is limited at the moment

06:07:36 <nym> trying to wrap up two jobs and prepare for BM

06:08:26 <nym> i'm so annoyed we're not doing foaf at bm honestly

06:08:44 <JibberJim> It's a shame yeah.

06:09:00 <JibberJim> still I know I don't want any more foaf on the web, I've as much as I can handle...

06:09:13 <nym> why?

06:09:34 <JibberJim> Foafnaut's backend is struggling somewhat under the weight of foaf.

06:09:56 <nym> why does that not surprise me!

06:11:04 <nym> is it something you can help improve with code rewrites, or is it simply a server/bandwidth problem?

06:12:27 <JibberJim> yeah it needs code rewrite, there's still not that much bandwidth/server problems, it's just not a system designed for the volume, I wasn't interested in writing a scutter/store, but needed to for the front end, so never did it properly.

06:13:14 <nym> gotya

06:17:24 <nym> well maybe i could write a better scutter

06:17:33 <nym> and take the load off of you

06:17:54 <nym> does your scutter look actively?

06:18:15 <JibberJim> no, only when told to go looking.

06:18:26 <JibberJim> it's the store that's the problem rather than the scutter.

06:18:30 <nym> does that work well for you?

06:18:40 <nym> what's the problem?

06:19:00 <JibberJim> well it works well enough, if people are interested in seeing themselves in foafnaut, they add their own foaf doc.

06:19:36 <qq[Schuyler]> what's the store?

06:19:50 <qq[Schuyler]> didn't mortenf get redland working with a MySQL backend?

06:20:06 <qq[Schuyler]> qq[Schuyler] is now known as Schuyler_

06:20:16 <JibberJim> it's a mySQL database, but the DB schema is too un-optimised.

06:20:37 <Schuyler_> oh? how so?

06:20:51 <JibberJim> yeah I'm very interested in that, but I'm a bit unsure about moving all the scutters backends to redland.

06:21:39 <JibberJim> basically it's only 1 table full of triples, with seperate 2 tables for the provenance stuff. so triple store queries rely on text matching.

06:23:30 <Schuyler_> eep.

06:23:45 <Schuyler_> yeah that gets pokey with big stores

06:24:01 <Schuyler_> JibberJim: What language is your scutter written in?

06:24:02 <JibberJim> well I did it because I liked the ability to go pred like "%something%" ...

06:24:07 <JibberJim> javascript!

06:24:16 <Schuyler_> server-side?

06:24:23 <JibberJim> Windows Script Host.

06:24:30 <Schuyler_> wow. I'm impressed.

06:24:51 * JibberJim thought it was a good indication of insanity actually.

06:25:06 <Schuyler_> I mean, I'm impressed that it, you know, works.

06:25:09 <JibberJim> wget, raptor, and gpg are kind of important to it.

06:25:20 <Schuyler_> so you're already using raptor anyway

06:25:25 <Schuyler_> what are you using gpg for?

06:25:39 <JibberJim> checking signatures of foaf docs for authentication purposes.

06:26:58 <JibberJim> Yeah, raptor's really nice, found a few bugs in it, but Dave's always fixed 'em.

06:27:22 <JibberJim> I could've used my javascript RDF parser, but I think that would be true insanity.

06:27:37 <Schuyler_> eep

06:29:45 <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. One of our main rotation servers appears to be experiencing hard drive problems, you'll see some split and rejoin activity in a moment. We'll send a message to those on the server as well.

06:29:51 <nym> just because you can do something doesn't mean you should

06:32:20 <Schuyler_> JibberJim: One can in principle make the triple table simply contain integer ids into a text table

06:32:58 <JibberJim> Yep, that's the approach others are taking, but that makes the "like" queries a lot more expensive.

06:36:02 * JibberJim is rescuttering from scratch see if it feels any happier.

06:52:47 <Schuyler_> I have to get Batik installed, hrmm

07:18:47 <Schuyler_> edd!

08:10:43 <gregor_> gregor_ is now known as gregor

10:02:07 <dajobe> danbri?

10:02:09 <dajobe> "In brief, foaf:knows was designed to be relatively harmless. It's use (and non-use) should be inoffensive. We dropped foaf:knows and foaf:knowsWell a year or two ago a"

10:02:28 <dajobe> I think those sentences contradict

10:02:37 <dajobe> the 2nd foaf:knows should be foaf:friend I think

10:03:51 <danbri> oops, s/knows/friend/

10:03:52 <danbri> ta

10:04:37 <danbri> edit article vs add a comment, hmm...

10:04:43 <danbri> what would an A-list blogger do?

10:06:11 <danbri> logger_2, pointer?

10:06:12 <danbri> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/foaf/2003-08-04#T10-06-11

10:08:31 * danbri edits & leaves a comment

10:34:46 <danbri> danbri has changed the topic to: foaf-project.org - rdfweb.org # foaf(X,Z) :- foaf(X,Y), foaf(Y,Z) # public logs: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/foaf/latest # You do not have any friends. [a]bort, [r]etry, [f]ail...

10:51:51 <danbri> http://freddieknows.com/ http://tellfreddie.com/ http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=9758

10:51:57 <danbri> via ecademy foafclub

12:27:48 <bill|home_depot> bill|home_depot is now known as wkearney99

15:23:53 <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder: If you spot a bug in the new code, please email bugs@freenode.net .... Hint: the code is on http://www2.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/pre/dancer-ircd-1.0.31+pre23.tar.gz and we are always willing to accept a patch :) Thanks for your support and patience, and have a great afternoon! :)

16:54:06 <KevinMarks> KevinMarks is now known as _KevinOnBus

17:26:03 <sbp`> sbp` is now known as sbp

17:29:43 * SeeTmp is away: *

19:59:56 <KevinMarks> KevinMarks is now known as _KevinMarksLunch

20:13:30 <edd> too hot to think

20:14:01 <ndw> where's that?

20:14:14 <JibberJim> everywhere!

20:14:35 <edd> ndw: england is undergoing hot weather for a change

20:14:49 <ndw> Warm rain instead of cold?

20:15:09 <edd> i heard there were delays on the trains because the rails had got hotter than 30°C

20:16:23 <ndw> Hotter than, uhm, 86F or so?

20:16:25 <ndw> I thought you said it was hot.

20:17:05 <ephidrina> these are english trains, which won't run below 0 or above 25

20:17:36 <ndw> lol

20:26:17 <edd> ndw: you see, in england, we have *civilized* weather

20:26:27 <edd> none of that barbaric new world stuff

20:27:14 <ndw> heh.

20:27:37 <ndw> you don't find cold and damp barbaric?

20:27:48 <edd> it fits my temperament

20:27:54 * JibberJim is still stuck in rainy old Vancouver, which I was told has weather much like London.

20:28:07 <JibberJim> And I've learnt it does, hot Sun every day for weeks.

20:28:11 <dajobe> lol

20:28:24 <dajobe> I was in that area for 2 weeks in July, not 1 day of rain

20:28:31 * ndw points JibberJim to http://norman.walsh.name/2003/07/23/rain

20:29:13 <ndw> You're in England and not Montreal then, Edd?

20:30:04 <edd> ndw: Yes. Extreme too, well, extreme, considering everything else I've got to do.

20:30:18 <edd> ndw: And Simon might still be wanting to thump me since our QNames tiff

20:30:39 <edd> i'm only an impostor in this markup world.

20:30:46 <ndw> ha

20:35:32 <kota_> kota_ is now known as kota

20:41:03 <mortenf> evenin' all

20:41:11 * wkearney99 waves

20:41:13 <JibberJim> Afternoon.

21:13:08 <golbeck_> golbeck_ is now known as golbeck

21:14:36 <golbeck_> golbeck_ is now known as golbeck

21:18:32 <golbeck_> golbeck_ is now known as golbeckCrashsafe

21:41:59 <ndw_> ndw_ is now known as ndw

22:55:17 <_KevinMarksLunch> _KevinMarksLunch is now known as KevinMarks

23:36:17 * edd a pumpkin .

23:36:55 <Schuyler> quite a personal admission for an Englishman to make in such a public venue, no?

23:37:26 <Cardinal> A logged venue, no less.

23:38:22 * danbri ponders http://www.pumpkinnook.com/cookbook/recipe06.htm

23:38:35 <danbri> ...is put off Pumkin Cheesecake for some time

23:52:05 <mdupont> what about a foaf vocab for what channels people hang out int

23:52:26 <mdupont> that would be interesting to see the connections between user groups

23:52:44 <mdupont> some people cross the boundries between groups (like me)

23:52:55 <mdupont> others huddle in small user communities

23:53:06 * danbri has long wanted to do a dump of user/channel membership from Freenode

23:53:07 <danbri> just a snapshot

23:53:14 <mdupont> there must be a need for that in faof

23:53:16 <danbri> and run a pathfinder algorithm

23:53:16 <mdupont> foaf

23:53:18 <danbri> yep

23:53:22 <danbri> foaf:Group/foaf:member should do it

23:53:23 <mdupont> what do you say danbri?

23:53:35 <danbri> a noble goal :)

23:53:35 * Cardinal rather liked the ChatGroup stuff danbri posted to the list.

23:53:48 <danbri> stpeter's msg re Jabber shows a wider audience that IRC too

23:53:58 <mdupont> group membership is kind of like a trust in a way

23:54:12 <danbri> Code to dump membership list for each > 5 member Freenode IRC channel would be cool

23:54:19 <mdupont> if you add in the factor of how much they speak

23:54:27 <mdupont> you can get a pretty good trust metric

23:54:29 <danbri> If anyone fancies doing the IRC side of the coding, I'd do the RDF output and pathfinding

23:54:35 <mdupont> vote with your feet....

23:54:36 <danbri> not tonight though...

23:54:44 <danbri> yup

23:54:51 * mdupont wonders about a perl interface to the irc client

23:55:03 <mdupont> there must be a ircbot waiting to be hacked

23:56:07 <mdupont> so i have decided to take gforge the the next level

23:56:18 <mdupont> instead of trying to make dotgnu better

23:56:27 <danbri> best codebase isn't Net::IRC, but POE-based stuff

23:56:29 <mdupont> and support foaf and databases and sessions

23:56:43 <danbri> http://downlode.org/perl/wikibot/ i think is poe-based now

23:56:54 <mdupont> i want to drag gforge/sourceforge down into the depths of foaf

23:56:56 * mdupont looks

23:57:07 <mdupont> wikibot!=??1?!"

23:57:16 <mdupont> cool name

23:57:23 <mdupont> wow!

23:57:26 <mdupont> that is what i need

23:57:34 <danbri> wikibot is hex's/earle's, who is here sometimes

23:57:34 <mdupont> more ways to abuse the web

23:57:54 <danbri> oaf, my instance, was an early fork, now redundant as earle's version moved to POE too and got better than mine

23:57:57 <danbri> I should run up a copy again