Friend of a Friend (FOAF) IRC Chat Logs for 2003-08-06

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10:15:27 Users on #foaf: logger_2 ephidrina libby dajobe KevinMarks lllllllll ericP darobin SeeTmp dngor bitsko mattb jaseb danbri eikeon iwaim datum urgot Joans Schuyler edd oaf merriam caz mortenf sbp gregor kota grault chrisc shea

10:20:27 <danbri> thanks

10:21:47 <dajobe> always, when I step out into the big blue room for a bit

10:21:54 <dajobe> the bots seem to know

11:42:22 * mattb enters a few latlongs into the gps in preparation for ccc departure

11:42:59 <libby> neat :)

11:43:05 <libby> takes loots of photos too

12:03:45 <mortenf> off to skanderborg festival, see ya'll monday...

12:04:06 <libby> have fun mortenf

12:04:08 <libby> bah

12:04:11 <mattb> Danmarks Smukkeste Festival!

12:04:57 <libby> sounds great!

12:05:16 <libby> if you like Smukk :)

12:07:45 <libby> "Denmark's most beautiful festival". Third-largest festival in the country. Featuring mostly Danish and international mainstream artists. Mostly mainstream, but also the occasional "odd act". Placed in an beautiful beechforest with lakes.

12:19:02 * mattb -> germany

12:19:03 <mattb> tata chaps

13:35:26 <GregElin> test

13:36:02 <darobin> doesn't work GregElin, we can't see your test message

13:37:15 <GregElin> Good, that means my Harry Potter Invisibility Cloak DOES work.

13:37:44 <GregElin> Greetings, all.

13:43:55 <darobin> :)

13:44:13 <darobin> attempted rip off from http://bash.org/?4680

14:12:19 <GregElin> Dan, Libby, We should talk about trying to schedule our virtual confab on image description and meta-data.

14:12:32 <GregElin> We talked before doing this in August.

14:16:04 <libby> yeah that would be neat GregElin

14:18:03 <libby> august seems pretty tricky for scheduling, but we could go ahead anyway

14:27:57 <GregElin> Any dates look good for you? Maybe we should pick two dates and see who can make it.

14:28:26 <libby> I'll just check. dont thinkmI've got much on

14:29:39 <libby> looks like I can do any except 20th at 16:00UTC

14:29:56 <libby> do maybe we better see what dates you can maek :)

14:30:04 <libby> s/do/so/

14:30:37 <libby> there seems to be an *awful* lot of interest on this topic recently

14:31:17 <GregElin> Yep. The time is right. Plus, I've been stumping for it everywhere I go.

14:31:24 <GregElin> What have you noticed?

14:31:39 <danbri> I just suggested next weds as a possible on www-rdf-interest, for rdf/exif discussion

14:31:48 <libby> hm, I guess recent discussion on exif

14:31:50 <danbri> but i didn't check around much, and that is a detailed subtopic

14:31:50 <libby> right

14:32:04 <libby> I'm interested, but not my main interest

14:32:20 <danbri> yup, describing the content is more fun

14:32:33 <libby> also UIs to maskre it easy

14:32:39 <GregElin> Also, jpegs are really the core of multimedia...and really so far untouched by data.

14:32:57 <libby> also max mentionned that he'd had a note from someone intrested in image annotation for forensic purposes!

14:33:24 <danbri> lib, is there calendar, query etc booked 4 next week?

14:33:36 <GregElin> Frankly, I think once people can really get into jpeg annotation/meta-data, the semantic everything takes off.

14:33:41 <libby> no, I dont think so. there's a calendar on 20th

14:33:41 <danbri> how does next weds suit you? we could do 90 mins; 45 on image files, 45 on image content.

14:33:55 <GregElin> Let me look...

14:34:49 <GregElin> Wed Aug 13 is good for me. If we pick that date, then we need to publicize it quickly.

14:35:04 <GregElin> Or maybe not "publicize"...

14:35:23 <danbri> a thread on www-rdf-interest already...

14:35:29 <GregElin> Where?

14:35:40 <GregElin> (still newbie in this crowd)

14:35:49 <libby> be easy to publicaise from the sw end

14:35:50 <danbri> hang on

14:36:01 <GregElin> "sw" end?

14:36:08 <GregElin> software?

14:36:13 <danbri> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2003Aug/0027.html

14:36:16 <danbri> sw - semantic web

14:36:17 <libby> semnatic web, sorry

14:36:33 <libby> i.e. chump and lists

14:36:34 <danbri> that too ;)

14:37:05 <danbri> hope Karl can make weds, he talking about chasing up the exif work...

14:37:10 <GregElin> cool

14:37:22 <GregElin> Well, do you think it should be anyone who wants to come?

14:37:33 <libby> I think this is the sort of topic that could run and run

14:37:35 <GregElin> Will we do in IRC?

14:37:37 <danbri> let's try to make it a show'n'tell and data gathering exercise, flesh out wiki page w/ stuff we might've otherwise missed

14:37:39 <libby> sure, anyone

14:37:49 <GregElin> I like that. A web page, show and tell, discuss.

14:38:01 <danbri> IRC, yup. And open to all usually works. We can take over #rdfig for the session, that's usual around here.

14:38:13 <libby> yeah, can always have tighter agenda next time

14:38:14 <danbri> phone is expensive for international collaboration, sadly

14:38:17 <danbri> (sad re RSI...)

14:38:33 <GregElin> I also have a web-based chat system we could use.

14:38:40 <danbri> I want to talk about Wordnet and FOAF

14:38:54 <GregElin> Okay. Let's sketch the agenda.

14:38:59 <GregElin> Show and tell.

14:39:04 * danbri prefers here if thats ok

14:39:06 <GregElin> WordNet and FOAF

14:39:16 <libby> bliemy, I'm getting huge essays in my crawl

14:39:28 <libby> here or on #rdfig?

14:39:32 <danbri> Exif (I'd split 45 minutes exif-based agenda)

14:39:39 <danbri> oh crap, I thought we _were_ in #rdfig!

14:39:43 <danbri> over in #rdfig I think.

14:39:44 <libby> hehehhe

14:39:47 <danbri> Make it an RDF Interest Group thing

14:40:13 <GregElin> I might try to organize a physical gathering of the bodies here in NYC, meet with a wireless connection.

14:40:15 * danbri realises the time... ugh this is my most unproductive week in an age

14:40:50 <danbri> sounds good, though large f2f subgroups can unbalance things a bit -- talking f2f can make everyone else feel remote

14:41:02 <danbri> how many would you expect?

14:41:15 <GregElin> Physically? Or total?

14:41:52 <danbri> physically

14:42:17 <danbri> If theres a load, having a separate face to face gathering with a report back to those who couldn't make it might make sense

14:42:36 <GregElin> Next Wed, probably 1/2 dozen, unless I really work at it.

14:42:38 * danbri guestimates... a load ~ 8+

14:42:44 * danbri nods

14:44:23 <GregElin> Dan, do you have any ties with JPEG folks, especially JPEG2000? Should they be here?

14:45:41 <GregElin> Here's who I'd really like to make sure is included:

14:46:37 <danbri> JPEG folk, not personally. I could ask round at W3C.

14:46:37 <danbri> I'd be happy with a modest gathering for first run, in 'literature review' mode rather than 'everyone doing image stuff should be here' mode...

14:47:10 <darobin> may I suggest inviting someone from the SVG WG? eg Dean Jackson?

14:47:32 <darobin> there has been discussion about a "DOM for images", and there's strong intersect there

14:48:01 <darobin> 1.2 adds that for SVG, but doesn't (yet) know what to do for raster

14:48:54 <GregElin> Us (of course), Ben Hammersley, Myron Kassabra (sp?), Kai Hendry, Derick Story (at O'Reilly), Adam Seifer (fotolog.net), Joshua Schacter (geoURL), Brian Smiga (preClick), Brian Theodore (Reuters), Gen Kanai (Sony), Joi Ito, Peter Kaminski (Social Software Alliance), Marc Canter.

14:48:59 <darobin> request heard at SVG Open sum up as width, height, resolution, rgbaAtPixel, and as much of exif and/or xmp as possible

14:49:05 <GregElin> I guess that is a pretty big list?

14:49:59 <GregElin> I like the idea of a guided literature review/show and tell...and some time for people toss around ideas.

14:50:35 <GregElin> At ETcon, going around the circle suggesting ideas for Lazyweb was incredibly successful.

14:50:48 <GregElin> People just saying what they wanted - fire the imagination.

14:50:58 <libby> dean sonds interesting...can be schedule it with him?

14:51:19 <danbri> tricky re australian timezones

14:51:21 <darobin> s/be/we/ ?

14:51:47 <libby> yeah darobin

14:51:51 <libby> sorry

14:52:03 <libby> I have a plaster on my finger which isn;t helping my already poor typing!

14:52:06 <GregElin> Maybe, the agenda is a quick literature review with other dates scheduled to discuss particular areas (like EXIF data)

14:52:28 <darobin> ooh, sorry about that :/ It's just that my fuzzy parser for English is only so good :)

14:52:36 <libby> heh

14:52:56 <libby> I could take off the plaster

14:52:57 <danbri> <dino> -2 hours is perfect

14:52:58 <darobin> if Dean can't make it I can try to replace him

14:53:03 <darobin> oh great

14:53:13 <libby> -2?

14:53:16 <danbri> that'd be 2pm uk summer time

14:53:16 <danbri> hours

14:53:18 <GregElin> Or maybe we just schedule 3 - 4 discussions, each one covering a general area from EXIF to FOAF, kind of like a multi-week tutorial.

14:53:30 <danbri> greg, list seems good, for invites rather than must-be-able-to-attend

14:53:37 <libby> so that's 13:00 UTC?

14:53:43 <GregElin> I agree, Dan...Invites.

14:53:50 <libby> coudl be tickey for west coasters?

14:54:01 <libby> tricky even

14:54:03 <danbri> too early? :(

14:54:07 <libby> or tickey

14:54:16 <libby> well if dean can stay up late

14:54:25 <GregElin> I think Ben is critical, though.

14:54:46 <libby> why ben in particular?

14:55:27 <danbri> Ben is lovely smart handsome and wise, but I'm sure he could catch up from the logs if he couldn't make it...

14:55:32 <GregElin> I think Ben is a great connector around RSS and RDF. Plus, he introduced me to you all. And he's a well-read blogger.

14:55:48 <GregElin> That's true, Dan.

14:55:58 <jaseb> i there are some other well read bloggers here as well

14:55:59 <GregElin> Let's step back for a second...

14:56:06 <GregElin> touche

14:56:13 <libby> right re lovely smart handsome and wise :) - just curious

14:56:36 <libby> as are the rest of the list, undoubtedly

14:56:41 <edd> depends i guess whether you want a publicist, or to get results.

14:56:57 * edd thinks the glare of publicity round Necho (whatever it's called) hasn't been so good for the actual work

14:57:04 <GregElin> This "topic" is a tiger. It ranges from SW/FOAF to RSS/syndication to EXIF/Image description.

14:57:23 <danbri> <dino> also, we're planning to add this stuff to SVG

14:57:23 <danbri> <dino> interface for querying image metadata

14:57:23 <danbri> <dino> so it would be good to know what is happening

14:57:32 <danbri> <dino> plan to allow access to EXIF and other stuff (especially if there is XML in the image somewhere)

14:57:33 <libby> ooh

14:57:36 <danbri> dino==dean

14:58:00 * libby likes doing stuff. damnger of premature publicity maybe?

14:58:03 <GregElin> I mead, do we try and talk about ALL of this? Do we focus on meta-data?

14:58:07 <danbri> tiger, indeed

14:58:11 * wkearney99 notes 13:00 UTC is 9am East coast and 6am West coast US time...

14:58:16 <danbri> I would focus on RDF ImageDescription

14:58:20 <libby> yeah, pretty early

14:58:40 <libby> but we can;t have much later or dean can;t come, being in oz

14:58:46 <GregElin> I'm not worried about the publicity anymore. SVG is far along, Fotonotes.net is far along. EXIF is pretty common.

14:58:56 <danbri> yeah... tricky. I really want Dean to be able to make it, as bridging to SVG is critical for describing image sub-regions, and especially re the Exif work which is picking up in both fora...

14:59:19 <GregElin> I'm in to scheduling it for Dean.

14:59:25 <danbri> Greg, how many of your list are westcoasters?

14:59:30 <danbri> logger_2, bookmark?

14:59:30 <danbri> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/foaf/2003-08-06#T14-59-30

14:59:54 <GregElin> Let's wrangle this a bit more, then contact Ben and Dean (and anyone else who seems critical) TODAY and see aobut their schedules.

15:00:26 * danbri just chatting w/ Dino elsewhere in irc land

15:00:31 <GregElin> Well, Brian Theodore, Marc Canter, Derick Story. Ward Cunningham.

15:00:37 <danbri> he can do 9am boston time, some possibility 10am

15:01:48 <danbri> If we scope this first discussion to Exif + SVG + RDF image description, then perhaps open things up (in a later-in-day slot) for 2nd chat a week or 2 later?

15:01:54 <danbri> rotate around the planet ;)

15:02:18 <GregElin> It is important I invite them.

15:02:31 <danbri> Ok

15:03:10 <danbri> Well, maybe we should break out the Exif thing then. That has momentum this week towards a weds meeting next week already, per the www-rdf-interest thread.

15:03:15 <GregElin> But I think they are pretty flexible. Having Brian and Derick would offer meaningful professional view.

15:03:37 <edd> it's Derrick, not Derick, btw :)

15:03:40 <danbri> So focus on Exif next week, take time to org 2nd one w/ more warning, on image content description...? a week later

15:03:41 <danbri> hi edd

15:03:55 <edd> danbri: heya/

15:04:00 <GregElin> Damn..."r" key...not working...

15:05:06 <GregElin> I like Exif + SVG + RDF image description, with a light list of related items for future discussion: geocode, IPTC, dublin core, etc.

15:06:38 <danbri> So how about RDFIG image description chat 1: Exif in RDF (incl SVG exif plans) next weds, 9am EST; chat 2 a week later on image content description (who/what/where/when of what is depicted), some hours later to be more US West Coast-inclusive.

15:07:40 <GregElin> I'd rather have more of the first discussion focus on SVG and RDF Image description. IMHO, Exif is more about the camera...and more established. I think if we start there it kind of sucks the life out of the possibilities. I could be wrong...but I just feel Exif is still overly focused on the visual artifact from the camera.

15:07:52 <libby> a week later (20th) we have calendar m,eet, tho at 1600UTC,not 1300

15:08:14 <danbri> Exif is established, but a representation of it in RDF, hence mixable with other RDF/XML descriptions, isn't established.

15:08:18 <libby> the problem is that recent discussions have focused on exif.

15:08:35 <GregElin> Which recent discussions, Libby?

15:08:43 <danbri> I agree re content being more interesting, but the lack of exif-in-rdf is problem, lots of reinvention

15:08:50 <danbri> here, in #rdfig and on www-rdf-interest

15:08:53 <libby> the ones on www-rdf-inteest that danbri mentionned

15:09:05 <libby> yeah, I'm more interested in content too

15:09:28 <danbri> thread beginning http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2003Aug/0021.html

15:09:32 <GregElin> Well, if we schedule both dates, I'm okay with EXIF coming first.

15:09:59 <GregElin> It'll help me get up to speed, and everyone else can pick the meeting(s) they want to attend.

15:10:08 <libby> A week later is tricky tho

15:10:10 <danbri> thanks. It should hopefully be a lowhanging fruit, set us up for the more open-ended 'how do you describe the stuff thats in a picture' discussion

15:10:20 <danbri> which is not-far-removed from 'how do you describe stuff'...

15:10:35 <edd> just a small tidy problem then :)

15:10:48 <darobin> hehe :)

15:10:49 <libby> there is already a meet on the rdfig channel at 1600UTC a wek later on 20th. if having a later meet, that maybe tricky

15:11:07 <GregElin> So..we are thinking...two dates, two weeks apart, first re: EXIF and RDF, second image description?

15:11:21 <libby> okey 2 weeks apart ok

15:11:45 <GregElin> Ithink that is good. Gives some time to do catch up reading, organizing, etc.

15:13:31 <danbri> we could make it 2 weeks then, alternate: photos, calendar, photos...?

15:13:31 <danbri> Greg, would you rather do it sooner, or is exif / calendar / image content ok by you?

15:13:31 <danbri> would give people time to polish 'show and tells'

15:13:32 <GregElin> Let's just not get lost in camera stuff, or the pecularities of RDF format. The big picture is about where the tractable points are for making things happen, for creating easy interface, moving syndication along.

15:13:40 * danbri wants to ugprade to wordnet 2

15:14:15 <GregElin> I like exif / calendar / image content -- precisely because it does gove more time to polish demos.

15:14:19 * danbri sees syndication is just the shipping of this stuff around... but yes, don't need to talk about RDF *as file format*.

15:14:49 <danbri> Some familiarity with RDF *as a model for description* (ie. classes and properties, vocabulary mixing) would be useful. I'll try to find a non-intimidating reading list!

15:14:53 <GregElin> where would wordnet fit in? image description meeting?

15:15:37 <danbri> yes

15:15:47 <GregElin> Cool.

15:16:24 <danbri> I'll make a page about this. *must* do some other work first though... I'll try confirm times w/ Karl re exif meeting and send mail late tonight or in am...

15:16:31 <GregElin> I think more technical persons will be at first meeting...then a broader crowd at the second.

15:16:58 <GregElin> Sounds great, Dan. I have some other stuff, too. I've sent an email to Ben already.

15:17:21 <GregElin> We are talking 9:00 AM New York EST?

15:17:34 <libby> I think so, hang on

15:17:47 <GregElin> For both Aug 13 and Aug 27?

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15:17:49 <danbri> yes, = 2pm british summer time = my clock now

15:18:24 <libby>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=13&month=8&year=2003&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

15:18:38 <GregElin> I thnk that's 8pm Japan time. Seems good.

15:19:11 <GregElin> Wait, though...9:00AM is 6:00 AM California time. How about 10:00 or 10:30 AM?

15:19:26 <danbri> no, latter meeting lets shift later for the westcoasties

15:19:27 <danbri> (later for 13th and we can't have dean's svg/exif input, which would be a shame.)

15:19:29 <danbri> This is just for the exif meeting, right?

15:19:54 <GregElin> Okay.

15:19:55 <danbri> I want Dean there if at all possible; it's 11pm for him, so even that is tricky...

15:19:59 <GregElin> That's sounds kewl.

15:20:09 <GregElin> Second meeting will be later 10 or 11.

15:21:01 <GregElin> Aug 13 9:00 AM EST, Aug 27 10:30 AM EST?

15:21:38 <GregElin> Is this a plan?

15:21:51 <danbri> For 2nd meeting, how does 11AM EST work out? 8AM west coast... 4PM UK...

15:21:51 <danbri> (I could go an hour later happily enough; don't need to fix in stone now tho)

15:22:39 <danbri> works for me. Need to confirm 9am ok with other Exif-interest parties from the www-rdf-interst thread.

15:22:43 <danbri> I'll do that...

15:22:46 <GregElin> Okay. This is a penciled in plans. I'll send out some emails. Drop me a note later today. (I'm very excited! This will be much fun...)

15:22:52 <danbri> And maybe you can sound out your invitee list...

15:23:12 <danbri> okay, may be 1st thing tommorow from my end... (its latish here;)

15:24:14 <GregElin> Okay. Tomorrow, then, Thanks Dan, Libby. Later...

15:24:31 <libby> bye!

15:24:56 * darobin lost track of the decision

15:25:18 <darobin> will the times be up somewhere?

15:25:29 <darobin> I'll try to attend in case dean can't make it

15:25:54 <darobin> I know much less about the problem, but I was there at the svg wg's discussions on this

15:25:55 <libby> yeah darobin. we'll chump them and maybe also send them around www-rdf-interest...

15:26:03 <libby> that'd be cool

15:26:04 <darobin> cool, thanks :)

15:26:22 <libby>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=13&month=8&year=2003&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

15:26:27 <libby> I thinkw as the first oen

15:26:34 <libby> I think was the first one

15:26:56 <darobin> ta!

15:27:15 <libby> yep looks right

15:27:38 <darobin> good that it falls after the deadline for the binfoset stuff, will leave more time :)

15:27:56 <libby> and this is the second one: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=8&year=2003&hour=14&min=30&sec=0&p1=0

15:28:01 <libby> heh, cool :)

15:29:45 <danbri> :)

15:29:47 <danbri> cheers greg, bye

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21:13:46 <danbri>http://washedashore.com/people/friendster/

21:52:43 <Schuyler> danbri: That would be Ben Discoe. I just gave him Dav's python scraper and I guess he went to town.

21:53:02 <Schuyler> he's the vterrain.org guy. very very bright dude.

21:53:17 <danbri> anyone who writes screenscrapers in C++ has to be...

21:53:48 <edd> Insane genius, I'd call it.

21:54:04 <Schuyler> that's about right

21:54:12 <Schuyler> but you write in what you know

21:54:25 <edd> Oh, I tend to pick a new language just for the hell of it.

21:54:25 <Schuyler> Raph Levien writes CGI apps in C

21:54:33 <edd> I wrote a CVS -> Changelog thing in Pike, once.

21:54:44 <Schuyler> when you have the time to learn the language, that works great

21:54:50 <Schuyler> but if you just want to get the code out

21:54:53 <edd> You need more than a day?

21:54:56 * edd giggles

21:55:00 <Schuyler> *shrug*

21:55:04 <edd> OK, Perl needs a lifetime. But a *normal* language...

21:55:22 <edd> Have I baited enough yet?

21:56:21 <danbri> heheh

21:56:37 <Schuyler> I don't hear anyone arguing the point :-)

21:56:49 * edd just grumpy for various reasons

21:56:51 <danbri> learning the lang is easyish, it's memorising the libraries and suchlike that I don't have the brain for

21:57:03 <edd> Not least getting a slap from production for not getting an article in early enough... mumble grumble

21:57:14 <edd> danbri: right, that's why I never program Java

21:57:23 <edd> like a bloddy scavenger hunt trying to find what you need

22:12:25 <JibberJim> _joshua ?

22:12:40 <JibberJim> I don't get any mail from geowanking, but it says I'm already subscribed if I try again.

22:12:54 <Schuyler> JibberJim: Are you having a better time parsing my FOAF file now?

22:13:02 <Schuyler> specifically, the geo data?

22:14:50 <JibberJim> Afraid I've not gone near my scutter until I'm back in the same country as it next week, I'll let you know!

22:15:10 <edd> Heh, so _joshua here is the geowanker listowner?

22:15:28 <edd> Amazing it took a roundabout email intro via Danny O'Brien to get me in touch with him

22:15:30 <JibberJim> I thought so, if I'm wrong, I'm just asking some random joshua guy :-)

22:15:33 <edd> When we've been on the same IRC channel for months.

22:16:42 <Schuyler> what, you didn't know?

22:17:01 <Schuyler> JibberJim: Going to CCC?

22:17:23 <JibberJim> nah, unfortunately I don't get back to the UK until saturday, so couldn't get to Germany in time :-(

22:17:28 <edd> Schuyler: there is much I don't know. Dwarfed only by the much I pretend to know.

22:17:43 <JibberJim> should've organised myself better.

22:18:13 <Schuyler> yeah, CCC sounds like fun. I think I've decided to console myself for missing it by going to Burning Man, though the latter is probably not as much fun.

22:18:25 <Schuyler> s/not as much/more diluted/

22:45:48 <danbri> edd, _joshua is indeed he. memepool, geourl, geowankers etc...

22:46:16 <danbri> if only we had some kind of technology for associating people's IRC nicks with other info about them... perhaps some kind of... 'bot'?

22:46:27 * danbri gazes skywards, visionfully

22:46:37 <edd> Did you not see the note I put up about that?

22:46:42 <edd> I need a Redland bug fixing

22:46:57 <edd> FOAFbot bombs out on parsing some files, dajobe has confirmed it's a raptor bug

22:47:00 <danbri> I did! Wasn't griping, just thought it funny re _joshua...

22:47:14 <danbri> yep, I had some trouble in that regard too

22:47:31 <edd> Tomorrow I'll be starting in on the C# binding for Redland

22:47:38 <edd> I hope in turn to extort a bugfix.

22:47:43 <danbri> btw is it possible to insulate perl/ruby/python etc apps from Redland crashes? or must it bring down the interpreted code too?

22:48:09 <edd> Not really.

22:48:13 <edd> Not in this instance.

22:48:37 <edd> It's not like it's running in another thread or process.

22:52:53 <Schuyler> well, you could indeed run it in a different process.

22:53:20 <Schuyler> although perhaps that's a little much effort. nevermind.

22:53:37 <edd> Well, I'd rather dajobe fixed the bug than fork each time I read an RDF file.

23:02:39 <Schuyler> yeah, that same thought occurred to me also

23:16:17 <_joshua> hi

23:16:30 <Schuyler> hey Josh

23:16:32 <_joshua> edd: yes, i am the geowanker list owner

23:16:35 <_joshua> hey schuyler

23:16:44 <edd> _joshua: well hello sailor

23:17:14 <_joshua> hey hey

23:17:46 <_joshua> Edd: how progresses your dashboard work?

23:18:27 <edd> _joshua: on hold this week while I do paying work, but due to dig into it tomorrow or so

23:18:41 <_joshua> nod

23:18:45 <_joshua> you're at ORA right?

23:18:52 <edd> well, they're a client of mine :)

23:19:16 <_joshua> Ah

23:20:13 <_joshua> I am hacking on NYClopedia