W3C RDF Core Working Group IRC Chat Logs for 2002-11-08

14:01:06 Users on #rdfcore: logger @em

14:56:54 <AaronSw> zakim, this will be rdf

14:56:56 <Zakim> ok, AaronSw

14:58:02 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has now started

14:58:08 <Zakim> +??P1

14:58:08 <Zakim> +PatH

14:58:23 <bwm> ??p1 is bwm

14:58:41 <AaronSw> The Zakim Prisoner's Dillema

14:58:58 <bwm> Zakim, ??P1 us bwm

14:58:59 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P1 us bwm', bwm

14:59:05 <bwm> Zakim, ??P1 is bwm

14:59:06 <Zakim> +Bwm; got it

14:59:13 <AaronSw> I won't call until there's sufficient critical mass to make it worthwhile, but if everyone does that, then there will never be critical mass.

14:59:35 <Zakim> +??P2

14:59:43 <DaveB> Zakim, ??PP2 is ILRT

14:59:44 <Zakim> sorry, DaveB, I do not recognize a party named '??PP2'

14:59:54 <AaronSw> two Ps

14:59:55 <DaveB> Zakim, ??P2 is ILRT

14:59:56 <Zakim> +ILRT; got it

15:00:02 <DaveB> why two ??s

15:00:08 <DaveB> Zakim, ILRT has DaveB

15:00:10 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it

15:00:17 <Zakim> +EMiller

15:00:23 <em> em has changed the topic to: RDF Core teleconference - 2002-11-08

15:00:34 <em> zakim, mute emiller

15:00:35 <Zakim> EMiller should now be muted

15:00:42 * em waves, back in a sec

15:01:13 <Zakim> +??P4

15:01:21 <AaronSw> I can't stay for the extra 30 minutes.

15:01:25 <AaronSw> zakim, who's on the phone?

15:01:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see PatH, Bwm, ILRT, EMiller (muted), ??P4

15:01:27 <Zakim> ILRT has DaveB

15:01:34 <bwm> Zakim, ??P4 is FrankM

15:01:35 <Zakim> +FrankM; got it

15:01:47 <em> zakim, unmute emiller

15:01:48 <Zakim> EMiller should no longer be muted

15:02:06 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean

15:02:10 <em> zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see PatH, Bwm, ILRT, EMiller, FrankM, Mike_Dean

15:02:11 <Zakim> ILRT has DaveB

15:02:30 <DaveB> agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Nov/0185.html

15:02:44 <AaronSw> agenda+ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Nov/0185.html

15:02:46 * Zakim notes agendum 1 added

15:03:13 <Zakim> +AaronSw

15:03:50 <Zakim> +??P8

15:03:55 <gk> zakim, ??p8 is GK

15:03:56 <Zakim> +GK; got it

15:04:01 <Zakim> +??P9

15:04:06 <Zakim> +EricP

15:04:10 <AaronSw> zakim, ??p9 is JosD

15:04:12 <Zakim> +JosD; got it

15:04:16 <AaronSw> zakim, EricP is temporarily DanBri

15:04:18 <Zakim> +DanBri; got it

15:04:36 <bwm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see PatH, Bwm, ILRT, EMiller, FrankM, Mike_Dean, AaronSw, GK, JosD, DanBri

15:04:40 <Zakim> ILRT has DaveB

15:04:53 <AaronSw> ROLL CALL.

15:05:00 <AaronSw> regrets: danc

15:05:09 <AaronSw> and jang

15:05:26 <AaronSw> who may show up later (with luck)

15:05:34 <AaronSw> AGENDA REVIEW

15:05:41 <AaronSw> Frank: get to the schedule item

15:06:14 <AaronSw> AaronSw: won't be here for the 30m extension, want to be here for issue 15

15:06:26 <AaronSw> JosD: I also have problems...could eventually make it but big pressure

15:06:56 <AaronSw> bwm: try to schedule issue 15

15:07:24 <AaronSw> DaveB: correction to minutes; jos

15:07:30 <AaronSw> ??? wasn't missing?

15:07:34 <Zakim> +??P11

15:07:38 <AaronSw> MINUTES APPROVED; ACTIONS COMPLETED

15:07:43 <AaronSw> zakim, ??P11 is jjc

15:07:44 <Zakim> +Jjc; got it

15:08:06 <DaveB> correction to minutes was - jos was not present, was recorded as present

15:08:24 <AaronSw> em: thanks for making document go thru pubchecker. 2hr job became 5min

15:08:35 <AaronSw> em: got OK on the 6th

15:09:27 <AaronSw> jjc: editors delayed until the 5th

15:09:52 <AaronSw> SYTNAX

15:10:10 <AaronSw> em: crosslinking throwing pubteam off; is that resolved?

15:10:19 <AaronSw> DaveB: dunno, sounds like htere's been changes made

15:10:41 <danb_rdfs> danb_rdfs is now known as danbri

15:10:59 <AaronSw> jjc: fixed links to your doc (with 200) but now it's forbidden error

15:11:14 <AaronSw> DaveB: never been officially published

15:11:43 <AaronSw> em: can't publish with the broken circular link

15:12:12 <AaronSw> ... basically they'll hold each other up, but won't deadlock

15:12:20 <AaronSw> DaveB: preparing another pubteam doc

15:12:48 <AaronSw> em: need to add incremental beercredits for each change

15:12:55 <AaronSw> (bureaucredits?)

15:13:05 <bwm> :)

15:13:07 <Zakim> +??P12

15:13:17 <AaronSw> zakim, ??P12 is PatrickS

15:13:18 <Zakim> +PatrickS; got it

15:13:53 <em> zakim, mute patricks

15:13:53 <Zakim> PatrickS should now be muted

15:14:18 <em> zakim, unmute patricks

15:14:19 <Zakim> PatrickS should no longer be muted

15:14:55 <Zakim> -GK

15:15:09 <Zakim> -PatrickS

15:16:01 <AaronSw> PRIMER

15:16:26 <AaronSw> Frank: put up new version with all critical changes and related

15:16:56 <AaronSw> ... plan to keep working on th echanges but probably will not get to massive ones (XML, URI to sep. doc)

15:17:06 <Zakim> +??P8

15:17:11 <AaronSw> bwm: not showstoppers for publsihing, thumbs up across the board

15:17:29 <AaronSw> zakim, ??P8 is PatrickS

15:17:30 <Zakim> +PatrickS; got it

15:17:57 <AaronSw> bwm: publish with editor's discretion

15:17:58 <AaronSw> em seconds

15:18:02 <AaronSw> DECIDED

15:18:05 <AaronSw> bwm: well done, frank

15:18:11 <AaronSw> PatrickS: was my issue fixed?

15:18:15 <AaronSw> FrankM: yes

15:18:16 <danbri> em, can I have a patent-disclosure parag for RDFS? (or shall I copy/paste from Concepts? hmm, I'll just do that).

15:18:20 <Zakim> +GrahamKlyne

15:18:39 <AaronSw> [modem tone]

15:18:50 <AaronSw> ACTION em: publish

15:19:01 <AaronSw> em: not close to pubrules

15:19:12 <AaronSw> Frank: want to work with eric and find out

15:19:16 <AaronSw> em: not sure you do

15:19:57 <AaronSw> em: couple hours, just need to find which

15:20:16 <AaronSw> bwm: moratorium coming up, need to give breathing space

15:20:45 <AaronSw> em: i'm ready to go today

15:21:25 <AaronSw> frank: group may think seriously about adding a deletions editor to primer

15:21:31 * AaronSw looks up

15:21:48 <AaronSw> em: hoping series editor can spend time finding overlaps

15:21:59 <AaronSw> ... before last call

15:22:24 <AaronSw> MODEL THEORY

15:22:25 <em> ACTION: em, to publish rdf primer document

15:22:35 * RRSAgent is logging

15:22:35 <AaronSw> pat: just got out of bed, sent email

15:22:37 <em> ACTION: em, to publish rdf primer document

15:22:38 * RRSAgent records action 1

15:22:56 <AaronSw> pat: you said take out the lbase, not sure i like that

15:23:03 <AaronSw> bwm: oh, was going to say that

15:23:16 <AaronSw> you = bwm

15:23:26 <AaronSw> pat: document has missing references, html is a mess

15:23:33 <AaronSw> bwm: i fixed html

15:23:41 <AaronSw> pat: want to give it one last bugcheck

15:23:49 <AaronSw> ... 1 day

15:23:50 <Zakim> -PatrickS

15:24:07 <AaronSw> bwm: took a copy off your site and fixed up the html so it will validates

15:24:19 <AaronSw> ... put a copy in the archives

15:24:31 <AaronSw> pat: i'll work from that

15:24:40 <Zakim> +??P8

15:24:42 <AaronSw> pat: all tech meat is in there

15:25:18 <AaronSw> bwm: we agree today to publish subject to document being reviewed

15:25:46 <AaronSw> ... and critical issues from review are fixed before it goes

15:26:01 <AaronSw> bwm: how else by wed?

15:26:24 <AaronSw> (mdean, you're going to have to take over soon)

15:26:30 <AaronSw> em: suggest email vote

15:26:43 * gk thinks that if Pat is OK to publish, I would be

15:27:07 <AaronSw> em: i'll keep thinking

15:27:11 <AaronSw> bwm: two reviewers?

15:27:16 <AaronSw> ... by close of biz tues

15:27:30 <em> q+

15:27:31 * Zakim sees Em on the speaker queue

15:27:32 <AaronSw> ... copy in archive

15:27:46 <AaronSw> pat: new stuff in red

15:28:03 <jjc> I will review

15:28:08 <jjc> I will review tonite

15:28:09 <AaronSw> gk: planning to try to review, regard it as important. if you don't get anything else i will

15:28:11 <DaveB> brian's fixed version of the MT html attached to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Nov/0022.html

15:28:26 <AaronSw> jjc: i volunteer

15:28:41 <AaronSw> JosD: i can do partly. have to go to jeremy. but not formal review

15:28:54 <AaronSw> gk: put me down, i'll make time on the weekend

15:29:07 <AaronSw> jjc: seemed to overlap with concepts quite a lot

15:29:14 <AaronSw> ... should we accept that or suggest changes

15:29:15 <JosD> Aaron, that was Germany ;-)

15:29:22 <AaronSw> heh, oops

15:29:51 <AaronSw> em: happy we vote to have something to staff contact by wed

15:29:58 <AaronSw> gk: overlap less important than getting out

15:30:18 <AaronSw> em: problem is adding, not reviewing

15:30:36 <AaronSw> bwm: only critical have to be fixed

15:30:42 <AaronSw> ... be clear to distinguish those

15:31:13 <AaronSw> em: i'm happy to vote given editorial discretion

15:31:51 <AaronSw> bwm: reviews by COB tues...

15:31:58 <AaronSw> bwm: pat, deadline is tuesday

15:32:10 <AaronSw> mdean - need to go now

15:32:13 <gk> Which means reviews by start of Tuesday, no?

15:32:18 <mdean> got it - thanks

15:32:50 <mdean> jos: second

15:33:02 <mdean> RESOLVED: publish MODEL THEORY subject to editorial discretion

15:33:17 <mdean> ACTION: (staff contact) arrange publication on receipt from editor

15:33:18 * RRSAgent records action 2

15:33:26 <mdean> bwm: offer to help with HTML

15:33:38 <mdean> Pat: leaving for PI Meeting on Tuesday - effective deadline is Monday night

15:33:53 <mdean> jjc: will review in next 12 hours

15:33:57 <mdean> gk: will also

15:34:36 <mdean> URI reference discussion

15:34:50 <mdean> bwm: consistent terminology among documents

15:35:02 <danbri> zakim, mute danbri

15:35:03 <Zakim> DanBri should now be muted

15:35:04 <mdean> bwm: abstract syntax uses RDF URI reference for IRI + optional fragment

15:35:20 <mdean> pat: Graham said we should use absolute URI reference

15:35:35 <mdean> bwm: need to agree on term, and be clear about our conformance to RFC 2396

15:35:43 * gk did I say that ?-)

15:35:54 <Zakim> +AaronSw.a

15:36:03 <mdean> bwm: not for this round of drafts, but need to be clear for Last Call

15:36:14 <Zakim> -AaronSw

15:36:30 <mdean> frank: does this apply to XML also?

15:37:00 <mdean> frank: also need term for relative URI?

15:37:27 <mdean> pat: DanC said to use absolute URI reference - not Graham

15:38:55 <mdean> jjc: many w3C specs use URI ref (including relative) to include international characters - just what we do -- following tradition of W3C specs

15:39:45 <mdean> jjc: partly depends on reading of RFC 2396 - clarify in concepts doc

15:39:45 <Zakim> -??P8

15:40:00 <gk> On URIs and URIrefs, TiomBL has something to say in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Sep/0043.html

15:40:25 <mdean> jjc: could include clarifying cross-ref to concepts doc at first mention of term in each of other specs

15:40:52 <mdean> aaron: may be misleading without full context

15:41:17 <mdean> jjc: could use IRI, but not in favor of this - better to use concept than term

15:41:27 <mdean> jjc: IRI draft doesn't seem to be progressing

15:41:35 <mdean> aaron: call them RRIs :-)

15:42:08 <mdean> jjc: precedent for calling them URI refs but allowing international characters

15:42:27 <mdean> jjc: decision made in Cannes - need to decide how to communicate that

15:43:43 <mdean> bwm: aaron concerned that use of term would be misleading

15:43:59 <mdean> aaron: was IRI draft available for those earlier specs?

15:44:04 * gk am looking for Roy Fieldings proposed rev of RFC2396

15:44:17 <DaveB> he refered to it on www-tag, tk

15:44:20 <DaveB> gtk

15:44:21 <DaveB> gk

15:44:21 <mdean> jjc: no - not sure why namespace spec uses IRI - could check

15:44:50 <mdean> jjc: don't conform with IRI because we don't handle bidirectional text

15:45:07 <mdean> jjc: bidi sufficiently unbaked in IRI spec

15:45:13 <gk> Proposed rev RFC2396: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fielding-uri-rfc2396bis-00.txt

15:45:21 <mdean> jjc: IRI is not REC, just draft

15:45:47 <gk> [[

15:45:49 <gk> A URI is a sequence of characters, which is not always represented

15:45:49 <gk> as a sequence of octets.

15:45:51 <gk> ]]

15:46:03 <mdean> jjc: follow-up with XML Namespaces 1.1 editor - could use same term and possibly refer to them if they publish first

15:46:08 <danbri> see also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2002Oct/0026.html

15:46:20 <mdean> bwm: could check with Martin

15:46:21 <danbri> zakim, unmute danbri

15:46:22 <Zakim> DanBri should no longer be muted

15:46:36 <mdean> frank, em, and DanBri would prefer not to use IRI

15:46:46 <gk> [[

15:46:47 <gk> A URI is a sequence of characters from a very

15:46:47 <gk> limited set, i.e. the letters of the basic Latin alphabet, digits,

15:46:47 <gk> and a few special characters.

15:46:47 <gk> ]]

15:46:57 <mdean> frank: diversion of attention to issues about character sets - shouldn't have to worry about in primer

15:47:24 <mdean> em: expects updated URI specs once IRI involves

15:47:54 <mdean> jjc: java.net.URI allows international characters and is consistent with our current usage

15:48:09 <gk> (Above is no change from RFC2396)

15:48:10 <mdean> jos: .NET URI class is not

15:48:52 <mdean> DaveB: correction: C# URI class is OK?

15:49:07 <mdean> bwm: need to pick one, suggest absolute URI ref

15:49:08 <DaveB> DaveB: I tested it as identical to java, and our resolvings.

15:49:13 <jjc> q+

15:49:14 * Zakim sees Em, Jjc on the speaker queue

15:49:21 <mdean> thanks for the clarification

15:49:31 <em> q-

15:49:32 * Zakim sees Jjc on the speaker queue

15:49:42 <mdean> bwm: suggest that jeremy draft text

15:50:21 <mdean> frank: does every reference to URI ref need to become absolute URIref (with optional fragment identifier)

15:50:32 <jjc> Style guide

15:50:33 <mdean> bwm: suggestion to use URIref and make it clear what we mean

15:50:38 <mdean> bwm: prefers shorter form

15:50:43 <danbri> I prefer shorter form too

15:51:05 <mdean> jjc: style guide encourages longer form

15:51:37 <mdean> bwm: lets not violdate style guide without a good reason

15:51:46 <mdean> DanBri: style guide is optional

15:52:24 * gk Mike, thatr might have been my comment you attribute ti DanBri... was just my opinion

15:52:26 * danbri didn't say that

15:52:32 <mdean> ACTION (jjc): write boilerplate for other documents

15:52:38 <mdean> SCHEMA

15:52:50 <jjc> ack

15:53:12 <mdean> sorry about that

15:53:45 <mdean> ...

15:53:51 <mdean> issues with rdfs:member

15:54:03 <mdean> DanBri generally happy with working draft

15:54:12 <mdean> jjc: very positive comment: only 19 pages!

15:54:16 <mdean> danbri: getting shorter

15:54:43 <Zakim> -AaronSw.a

15:55:00 <mdean> RESOLVED: call for reviewers, publication subject to editors discretion

15:55:23 <mdean> em: need ASAP, working with Henri

15:56:06 <mdean> pat: MODEL THEORY by midnight (East Coast) Monday night

15:56:57 <mdean> ACTION: DaveB to review on Monday

15:56:58 * RRSAgent records action 3

15:57:35 <mdean> danbri: could use help on cross-references

15:57:58 <mdean> ACTION: bwm to help with SCHEMA cross-refs to other documents

15:57:59 * RRSAgent records action 4

15:58:26 <mdean> ACTION: bwm to review SCHEMA on Monday

15:58:27 * RRSAgent records action 5

15:58:45 <mdean> frank will take close look, but not necessarily formally review

15:58:53 <mdean> jjc will also try to look at document

15:59:15 <mdean> bwm: named reviewers don't preclude other people looking at the documents

15:59:39 <mdean> frank will be off-email for next 3 days

16:00:15 <mdean> frank: alternative email address is OK, will also monitor list archives

16:00:49 <mdean> danbri: is rdfs:member a container membership property?

16:01:20 <mdean> take discussion to email list

16:01:29 <mdean> danbri, jos, pat discussion

16:01:47 <mdean> danbri waiting for OmniGraffle to improve pictures

16:02:03 <mdean> ACTION: em to arrange SCHEMA publication

16:02:06 * RRSAgent records action 6

16:02:12 <mdean> TEST CASES

16:02:21 <mdean> jan grant not here

16:02:34 <danbri> zakim, mute danbri

16:02:35 <Zakim> DanBri should now be muted

16:02:37 <mdean> DaveB: outstanding issues, ntriples merged in

16:03:05 <mdean> DaveB: most of work is changing test cases themselves - e.g. renaming namespace - mechanical, not changes to test cases document

16:03:58 <mdean> bwm: Jan Grant under lots of work pressure

16:04:20 <mdean> DaveB: able to help Jan, but prefer to deconflict work with SYNTAX

16:05:25 <mdean> bwm: propose to follow XML Protocol example - draw attention to editors draft to keep community informed

16:05:36 <mdean> em: make announcements on ig list

16:05:51 <mdean> DaveB: would be good to get new version with ntriples changes

16:06:17 <mdean> em: want (bi-)weekly pulse on ig list

16:07:12 <mdean> jjc: once ARP and Redland parsers are updated, should be easy to check and update test cases

16:07:23 <mdean> DaveB: when to publish as working draft?

16:07:34 <mdean> bwm: next test cases WD would be Last Call

16:07:46 <mdean> jjc: concerned about this

16:07:59 <jjc> I disagree - shouldhave a new test case WD

16:09:03 <mdean> em: editorial draft to ig is more important than WD publication

16:09:20 <jjc> we need process to make bug fixes visible ....

16:09:38 <gk> I can see the case for sooner WD publication for the descriptive material, but the test cases themselves may be in continuous development.

16:09:48 <mdean> em: want to avoid long CR period - getting test cases out to parser developers is key

16:10:06 <mdean> em: suggest viewing this document different from others - our conduit to developer community

16:10:23 <mdean> jjc: WD publication is forcing function for getting documents up-to-date with WG decisions

16:10:50 <mdean> jjc: issues aren't getting addressed very quickly

16:11:27 <mdean> jos: support this view

16:11:50 <mdean> bwm: jeremy concerned with moving test cases along, rather than W3C process

16:13:43 <mdean> need to do both

16:15:20 <mdean> ACTION: jos to review SCHEMA rather than DaveB

16:15:21 * RRSAgent records action 7

16:16:10 <mdean> ACTION: DaveB look at Test Cases to add ntriples

16:16:11 * RRSAgent records action 8

16:16:45 <mdean> DaveB test cases should already be pubrules-ready

16:17:05 <mdean> ACTION: Dave new version of test cases by UK end-of-business Monday

16:17:06 * RRSAgent records action 9

16:17:20 <mdean> ACTION: em to prepare Test Cases publication

16:17:21 * RRSAgent records action 10

16:17:31 <mdean> jjc: need named reviewers for test cases (30 pages)

16:18:25 <mdean> DaveB: tables automatically generated from manifest

16:18:49 <mdean> DaveB: test namespace change doesn't affect document

16:19:15 <mdean> DaveB: only section 3 needs reviewing + references, etc.

16:19:25 <mdean> bwm: minimum changes

16:19:39 <mdean> ACTION: jjc to review TEST CASES section 3

16:19:41 * RRSAgent records action 11

16:19:51 <mdean> ACTION: jos to review TEST CASES

16:19:52 * RRSAgent records action 12

16:20:17 <mdean> DaveB: should be available Monday morning

16:20:29 <mdean> DaveB: hex digits in uppercase only

16:20:44 <DaveB> draft at http://www.w3.org/2001/08/rdf-test/

16:21:10 <mdean> ACTION: DaveB put review copy in archive

16:21:12 * RRSAgent records action 13

16:21:25 <mdean> sorry for duplicate actions

16:21:28 <mdean> SCHEDULE

16:22:08 <mdean> Frank: 29 Nov is in middle of US Thanksgiving holiday

16:22:27 <mdean> bwm: schedule feels very tight

16:22:49 <mdean> bwm: derived by working backward from Last Call by Christmas

16:22:51 <jjc> fiction

16:22:54 <gk> q+ to say I'm not around for the scheduled editors' conference

16:22:55 <mdean> bwm: is this (pure) fiction?

16:22:55 * Zakim sees Jjc, Gk on the speaker queue

16:22:59 <danbri> faction?

16:23:22 <bwm> ack gk

16:23:24 <Zakim> Gk, you wanted to say I'm not around for the scheduled editors' conference

16:23:25 * Zakim sees Jjc on the speaker queue

16:24:55 <jjc> q+ very concerned

16:24:56 * Zakim sees Jjc, Very, Concerned on the speaker queue

16:25:06 <mdean> em: doing excellent job hitting milestones (Nov 1, 8, 13) - tight, next to impossible, but we seem to be doing it so far and portion up to Nov 13 seems the most difficult part

16:25:48 <danbri> zakim, is danbri muted?

16:25:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, danbri.

16:25:55 <danbri> zakim, who is muted?

16:25:56 <Zakim> I see DanBri muted

16:26:35 <mdean> jjc: concerned about editorial issues - critical handles, editorial postponed

16:26:55 <mdean> jjc: almost 350 pages

16:27:49 <mdean> jjc: need to figure out how to delete or hide 100s of pages

16:27:52 <danbri> RDFS is 5% :)

16:29:05 <mdean> jjc: suggest extra week for editors to do major restructuring of documents

16:29:14 <DaveB> [timecheck?]

16:29:38 <mdean> jjc: problem with major document structure freeze

16:30:04 <mdean> bwm: next weeks telecon mostly focused on editors

16:30:37 <mdean> bwm: see how this "hack back" goes this week, reschedule next week if necessary

16:31:15 <mdean> Any other Business?

16:31:17 <danbri> zakim, unmute danbri

16:31:18 <Zakim> DanBri should no longer be muted

16:31:20 <mdean> adjourned

16:31:24 <Zakim> -JosD

16:31:27 <Zakim> -PatH

16:31:28 <Zakim> -ILRT

16:31:28 <Zakim> -DanBri

16:31:29 <Zakim> -Jjc

16:31:36 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean

16:33:25 * gk Eric, when you asked editors with pending pubs to hang around, did that include Concepts?

16:33:32 <DaveB> oops

16:33:34 <DaveB> biab

16:36:00 <DaveB> nope, can't dial in

16:36:43 * DaveB switches rooms

16:42:33 <Zakim> -EMiller

16:42:41 <Zakim> -GrahamKlyne

16:48:56 <Zakim> +EricM

16:56:55 <Zakim> -Bwm

16:57:32 <Zakim> -EricM

16:57:34 <Zakim> -FrankM

16:57:35 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended