Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2001-05-26

13:50:17 * azaroth wavies.

13:50:48 * danbri waves back

13:51:06 <danbri> Ask Dave (dajobe) about the IRC protocol thing... 'JOIN'...

13:51:17 * danbri introduces Dave and Rob/azaroth

13:51:24 * danbri on phone too (and MOO...:)

13:51:40 <dajobe> hmm?

13:54:29 <danbri> djobe: Rob's trying to get MOO to talk to IRC... Getting rejected by openprojects.net server

13:54:54 * danbri thought you might know as you did the logger bot

13:55:16 <dajobe> might be nick duplicated or thrown off for flooding or banned

13:55:36 <dajobe> also try a different irc.openprojects.net server

13:58:16 <azaroth> Okay, I'm fairly sure that it's dying through not replying fast enough to the PING message

13:58:36 <dajobe> could be that too; I think the library I use does that for me

14:01:27 <azaroth> Yup.

14:06:16 * azaroth grins.

14:06:43 * danbri grins at the new visitor (which doesn't notice, being a MOO)

14:07:18 <syrinnia> too...

14:07:41 <azaroth> It did notice... it just didn't know what to do with it.

14:07:56 <syrinnia> Did too notice

14:08:30 <danbri> how does this look from the MOO?

14:12:21 <syrinnia> Test?

14:12:35 <syrinnia> Ahha :)

14:13:24 * dajobe notes that is another 'bot is watching and recording here, it should respect [off] like logger in order that people are not surprised

14:13:52 * danbri doubts the syrinnia bot is recording (unlike many folks IRC clients)

14:13:57 * azaroth nods.

14:14:26 * azaroth It's a hack so that I can talk from my MOO rather than an IRC client.

14:14:38 <danbri> and vice versa :)

14:15:25 <dajobe> there should be a way people here find out what the bot is - can you put a web page up somewhere that can be linked from the intro message here

14:15:41 <azaroth> It will record the last ten messages at any one time, but they're not viewable anywhere except if you're on the channel

14:15:56 <danbri> give us a chance dave! it's kinda young...

14:16:17 * dajobe thinks it is fun to add feature requests to other peoples 'bots for a change :-)

14:16:21 <syrinnia> ponders. Okay, I'm not seeing this with my /real/ client ;P

14:17:28 * azaroth laughs. Gack. I wonder when I did /ignore *

14:18:23 * danbri thinks http://ilrt.org/discovery/2001/03/rdf-moo/ is getting that bit closer to reality...

14:25:42 * danbri off phone

14:30:57 <syrinnia> Okay, now to try reconnecting...

14:33:46 <danbri> http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1232

14:33:47 <dc_rdfig> A: http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1232 from danbri

14:34:06 <danbri> A:| RDF and Topic Maps, so similar and so different! (XMLhack article)

14:34:06 <dc_rdfig> titled item A

14:34:35 <danbri> A:Presentations from xml europe on RDF and TopicMaps

14:34:35 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

14:57:20 <azaroth> This should get reflected...

15:00:51 <syrinnia> ACTION | test?

15:02:36 <dajobe> maybe you could do this testing on a separate channel? I do that

15:02:57 * danbri just suggested that, now it's getting noisier

15:03:06 <danbri> Maybe #rdfbot ?

15:03:21 <danbri> I'm off; back in a while.

15:03:23 <danbri> happy hacking!

15:03:26 <azaroth> Catch you later...

15:04:45 * azaroth acks and needs to do some real work (pulls down the 'bot)

15:05:46 * azaroth waves.

19:39:03 <SeanP> SeanP is now known as sbo

19:39:05 <sbo> sbo is now known as sbp

21:29:16 <SeanP> SeanP is now known as sbp

22:11:18 * sbp wonders what you'd get if you mushed up the RDFWeb and WebNS stuff

22:19:55 <sbp> Hey, you'd get WebWeb! Or RDFNS...

22:26:15 * sbp wonders which one is better...

22:57:25 <SeanP> SeanP is now known as sbp

22:57:31 * sbp makes a SEM

23:13:56 <sbp> Cool, it kinda worked... loads of bugs, as you'd expect

23:14:21 <chaals> sean?

23:14:25 <sbp> Hey Chaals!

23:14:30 <chaals> Hey !

23:14:47 <chaals> Can I make the 0.95 stuff public? (i.e. change the ACLs)

23:15:01 <sbp> Yes, you may. But would it be best to consult the group first?

23:16:11 <chaals> not really - in theory we are charter-bound to do so, but I wondered if there was any reason not to (like you had written lots of nasty things about someone that you were planning to remove later)

23:16:31 <sbp> No, I took all that stuff out already

23:16:47 <sbp> There's a couple of other files I want to put up as well, hang on and I'll do them

23:18:35 * chaals does the rest in the meantime...

23:18:37 <sbp> O.K., 0.95notes.html and 0.95changes.html

23:18:59 <sbp> I presume you know which ones need chACLing? Of course you do...

23:19:49 <chaals> yeah the interface to chACL makes it pretty clear

23:20:19 <chaals> crap. Can't see them yet. give the mirrors a few minutes to do their thing...

23:21:08 <sbp> I can see the 0.95 namespace, but it gives the N3 file (actually, that's better!)

23:22:51 <sbp> Oh, I don't think I uploaded 0.95.rdf yet... aaargh! I'll put it up right now

23:24:09 <chaals> no - I was looking for it...

23:24:22 <sbp> done

23:25:28 <sbp> I'm quite happy with http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.9to0.95 - it works really well

23:25:37 <chaals> OK, should all be public accessible now.

23:25:56 <chaals> Cool - had a look at it but didn't read it (not really in a mood for technical thinking at the moment :)

23:26:31 <sbp> one of them days? What was the name of that software company that's thinking about EARL again?

23:27:19 <chaals> Well, I am hoping the Hiawatha Software and Usable Net will both be interested.

23:27:25 <sbp> Oh, that's funny - 0.95.rdf works now, but on 0.95#, 0.95.n3 takes precedence

23:27:35 <sbp> Cool... I'll Google for them

23:27:38 <chaals> Hmmm.

23:28:17 <chaals> They produce evaluation tools - hisoft as a standalone or integration for frontpage, usablenet as a dreamweaver extension

23:28:30 * sbp sobs - the CVS keyword *still* won't expland in the N3 file...

23:29:12 <sbp> Yep, there's a little bit in Google about them

23:29:29 <sbp> - http://www.hisoftware.com/ ?

23:30:18 <sbp> Cool, they comply to 508...

23:32:14 <chaals> Yeah, I saw that...

23:32:20 <chaals> (CVS keyword)

23:33:15 <sbp> It works in the RDF file. They've tried to fix it, but it obviously hasn't worked

23:33:58 * sbp even asked Dan for the rcs:id property...

23:37:32 <chaals> Crap. Oh, hang on...

23:38:44 <chaals> nope, crap. Doesn't work.

23:39:48 <chaals> hmm, maybe it doesn't like being in quotes.

23:40:10 <sbp> No, it works on 0.9.n3

23:40:40 <sbp> $Id: 0.9.n3,v 1.10 2001/05/16 18:04:35 dom Exp $

23:42:16 <sbp> Wendy had an action item in the last ERT call but one to take it up with the Sys guys. As you can tell, Dom fixed that particular file, but it was a bit of a nightmare. The others don't work - I even tried adding a MIME type to the files, but then it wouldn't accept them

23:43:23 <chaals> :(

23:44:16 <sbp> Could type it in by hand, no one will know the difference :-)

23:45:35 * sbp is kidding, of course...

23:50:38 <sbp> Oh, I guess we'll have to link all this stuff from / now?

23:50:45 <chaals> yep... :)

23:51:01 <chaals> We should put disclaimers noting that it isn't settled yet and could change...

23:51:42 <chaals> We [isa Person][earl:name Sean ;)

23:51:56 <sbp> Heh!

23:51:59 <chaals> hmmmm, syntax seems dodgy still... :)

23:52:05 <sbp> Of course (that's what the "pre-1-ness" denotes). I thnk I'll move all of the old 0.9 stuff too its own page

23:52:15 <sbp> dodgy? whaddya mean? Solid as a rock

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23:57:55 <chaals> hmmm, running the 0.95 through sirpac and trying to get a gif crashes my browser :(