Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2001-08-20

00:11:03 Topic now Fear and loathing on the Semantic Web - http://www.w3.org/RDF/Interest/#irc

00:11:03 Users on #rdfig: logger sbp AaronSw tdxdave @danbri deltab oierw tav DanC_ em_ dc_rdfig

00:11:03 <ChanServ> This channel is logged and blogged: http://logicerror.com/rdfIRCWelcome

00:59:54 * AaronSw waves

01:00:14 <AaronSw> Is this chump the SOAPy one?

01:00:15 <sbp> Hi Aaron

01:00:20 <AaronSw> hi Sean!

01:24:52 <danbri> (no, the soap chump lives on my machine fireball, may occasionally be seen in #rdfbot)

02:24:46 * DanC_ considers hacking an IRC/n3 bot this evening...

02:26:34 * DanC_ googles for irc clients implemented over medusa, finds lots of references to this channel ;-)

02:28:15 * DanC_ starts from scratch...

02:28:37 * AaronSw wonders what the Chump is based on

02:30:49 <DanC_> wow... xemacs evidently got upgraded when I did my recent debian upgrade. python support finally works out-of-the-box

03:20:52 <cris> cris is now known as cris|out

03:33:59 <DanC_> aha! irc.openprojects.net takes forever to login to, but I've now got my ircAsync.py connecting to a server (not this one) and joining a channel.

03:44:15 <tav> hmz

03:59:27 <DanC_>http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

03:59:27 <dc_rdfig> A: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/ from DanC_

04:00:05 <DanC_> A:scribe-bot -- toward automated meeting scribe

04:00:05 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

04:00:21 <DanC_> A:ircAsync.py 1.1 checked in

04:00:21 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

04:00:23 * AaronSw looks around for scribe-bot...

04:03:18 <AaronSw> A:|scribe-bot -- toward automated meeting scribe

04:03:18 <dc_rdfig> titled item A

04:03:27 <AaronSw> A:I see a promising future for these kinds of bots...

04:03:27 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

04:03:45 <AaronSw> A:Maybe I'll even get around to hacking on them

04:03:45 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

04:04:07 <DanC_> A:next step: a module to connect ircAsync.py with cwm.py/notation3.py

04:04:07 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

04:04:54 * DanC_ tries to think of a name for this module...

04:05:12 <DanC_> irckb?

04:05:17 <DanC_> kbchat?

04:05:25 <DanC_> thinkNtalk?

04:05:35 <DanC_> formalchat?

04:05:42 <DanC_> rdfchat?

04:06:39 <DanC_> rdfn3chat?

04:06:51 <DanC_> that's the worst name... I'll use it...

04:14:55 <DanC_> phpht... I checked in untested code.

04:15:31 <DanC_> I made just a little tweak after my last test of ircAsync.py but before I checked it in. of course, there's a typo

04:50:06 <DanC_> ok... rdfn3chat.py 1.1 checked in. doesn't really do anything yet.

05:09:08 * DanC_ puzzles over how to set cwm.RDFStore's context before parsing a line from IRC...

05:16:52 <DanC_> well, it sorta seems to be working; let's see if I can get it to come here...

05:24:55 * DanC_ debugs an IRC protocol problem...

05:53:11 * DanC_ contiues to wrestle with the protocol for logging into this channel...

05:54:15 <DanC_> aha!

05:54:22 <DanC_> help

05:54:49 <DanC_> crud... this is just the low-level module... the module with any smarts is the other one...

06:07:44 <DanC_> openprojects seems to wait for one ping-period between accepting a connection and letting the client into a channel. or something.

06:08:40 <DanC_> help

06:08:40 <swBot> UTSL @ http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

06:09:05 <DanC_> swBot, <#dogs> <#have> <#fleas>.

06:09:05 <swBot> KB size: 1

06:09:07 <DanC_> swBot, <#dogs> <#have> <#fleas>.

06:09:07 <swBot> KB size: 1

06:09:14 <DanC_> swBot, <#dogs> <#hate> <#cats>.

06:09:14 <swBot> KB size: 2

06:09:32 <DanC_> woohoo!

06:09:52 <deltab> great!

06:11:30 <DanC_> swBot, [ <#languageHomePage> <http://www.python.org> ] <#goodFor> <#RapidProtyping>.

06:11:30 <swBot> KB size: 5

06:12:17 <DanC_> hmm... next step is perhaps to have it serve up the KB in RDF/n3 over HTTP.

06:12:56 <DanC_> and support loading RDF from a given address

06:13:48 <deltab> I think the thing with PING is that the server sends a PING immediately after receiving NICK

06:13:55 * DanC_ wonders why that added 3 tuples... oh! the log:forSome

06:16:25 <DanC_> A:RDF/n3 in from IRC is working.

06:16:25 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

06:16:52 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

06:16:53 <swBot> KB size: 5

06:17:06 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>.

06:17:06 <swBot> KB size: 5

06:17:42 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>.

06:17:42 <swBot> KB size: 5

06:18:30 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <#>. {{ :s [ u:subPropertyOf :p ] :o } log:implies { :s :p :o. } } log:forAll :s, :p, :o.

06:18:30 <swBot> KB size: 15

06:18:49 <DanC_> swBot, think

06:18:49 <swBot> KB size: 15

06:19:00 <DanC_> (no, I haven't implemented think. ;-)

06:20:43 <DanC_> I think I'll try filters/queries though...

07:17:15 <DanC_> aha... got connection working again.

07:17:32 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <#>.

07:17:54 <DanC_> crud... line terminator glitch...

07:39:54 <DanC_> ok... I think I've got questions/filters working...

07:40:43 * DanC_ twiddles thumbs while bot logs in...

07:42:36 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <#>. :weather :is :rainy.

07:42:37 <swBot> KB size: 1

07:42:52 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

07:42:52 <swBot> KB size: 1

07:43:09 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :what. { :weather :is :what } log:implies { :what a :Answer}?

07:43:09 <swBot> @prefix : <mid:#> .

07:43:10 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

07:43:10 <swBot>

07:43:10 <swBot> :rainy a :Answer .

07:43:10 <swBot>

07:43:16 <DanC_> swBot, good bot.

07:43:17 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (object_list expected) at ^ in: " good bot^."

07:44:15 <DanC_> next step:

07:44:17 <DanC_> swBot, think!

07:44:58 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC :brother :Paul, Jon.

07:44:58 <swBot> KB size: 10

07:45:29 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :DanC :brother :who } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

07:45:29 <swBot> @prefix : <mid:#> .

07:45:29 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

07:45:29 <swBot>

07:45:29 <swBot> :Jon a :Answer .

07:45:29 <swBot>

07:45:30 <swBot> :Paul a :Answer .

07:45:32 <swBot>

07:46:21 <DanC_> swbot, @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig>.

07:46:35 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#>.

07:46:36 <swBot> KB size: 18

07:46:46 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :DanC :brother :who } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

07:46:47 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.daml.org/2001/03/daml+oil#> .

07:46:47 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

07:46:47 <swBot>

07:47:18 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC :brother :Paul, Jon.

07:47:18 <swBot> KB size: 26

07:47:21 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :DanC :brother :who } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

07:47:21 <swBot> @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

07:47:22 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

07:47:22 <swBot>

07:47:22 <swBot> :Jon a :Answer .

07:47:22 <swBot>

07:47:22 <swBot> :Paul a :Answer .

07:47:24 <swBot>

07:49:53 <DanC_> A:it answers questions now. (rdfn3chat.py 1.3)

07:49:53 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

07:52:49 <DanC_> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

07:52:57 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

07:52:58 <swBot> KB size: 34

07:53:16 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC contact:homePage <http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/>.

07:53:16 <swBot> KB size: 35

07:56:25 <DanC_> A:TODO: take advantage of the medusa/asyncore architecture and answer HTTP requests as well; e.g. dump the KB in RDF/xml

07:56:25 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

07:57:01 <DanC_> A:TODO: grab stuff by reference. (hmm... can use log:resolvesTo to do this already, to some extent)

07:57:01 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

08:03:43 <DanC_> swBot, (<#you> <#grok> <#list> <#syntax>). #don't you? .

08:03:43 <swBot> KB size: 47

08:04:11 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix ont: <http://www.daml.org/2001/03/daml+oil#> .

08:04:12 <swBot> KB size: 47

08:04:54 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :x, :l. { :l ont:first :x } log:implies { :x a :Answer }?

08:04:55 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .

08:04:55 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:04:55 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

08:04:55 <swBot> @prefix ont: <http://www.daml.org/2001/03/daml+oil#> .

08:04:55 <swBot>

08:04:55 <swBot> <mid:#grok> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> .

08:04:57 <swBot>

08:04:59 <swBot> <mid:#list> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> .

08:05:01 <swBot>

08:05:03 <swBot> <mid:#syntax> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> .

08:05:05 <swBot>

08:05:07 <swBot> <mid:#you> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> .

08:05:09 <swBot>

08:09:57 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix ws: <http://www.w3.org/Addressing/schemes#>. this log:forAll :x, :p. { <http://blogspace.com/rdf/iana-uri-schemes> log:resolvesTo [ log:includes { :x ws:specifies :p } ] } log:implies { :p a :Answer}?

08:11:08 <DanC_> phtphpt. bug in cwm.py: There is no variable named 'experience' [/home/connolly/w3ccvs/WWW/2000/10/swap/cwm.py|evaluateObject2|592]

08:11:44 <DanC_> well, that's it for tonight.

08:11:55 <DanC_> maybe I'll start it up one more time to see if anybody else plays with it...

08:13:42 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

08:13:42 <swBot> KB size: 0

08:13:59 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

08:13:59 <swBot> KB size: 0

08:14:52 <DanC_> swBot, [ contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org> ] a :HoopyFrood.

08:14:52 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix contact not bound) at ^ in: "^ contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org..."

08:15:15 <DanC_> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:15:22 <DanC_> swBot, [ contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org> ] a :HoopyFrood.

08:15:22 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix contact not bound) at ^ in: "^ contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org..."

08:15:38 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:15:39 <swBot> KB size: 2

08:15:43 <DanC_> swBot, [ contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org> ] a :HoopyFrood.

08:15:43 <swBot> KB size: 5

08:16:13 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :who a :HoopyFrood } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

08:16:13 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .

08:16:13 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:16:13 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

08:16:13 <swBot>

08:16:13 <swBot> [ a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> ].

08:16:14 <swBot>

08:16:55 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC contact:mailbox <mailto:connolly@w3.org>.

08:16:56 <swBot> KB size: 13

08:17:01 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :who a :HoopyFrood } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

08:17:01 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .

08:17:02 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:17:02 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

08:17:02 <swBot>

08:17:02 <swBot> [ a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> ].

08:17:02 <swBot>

08:17:18 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC a :HoopyFrood.

08:17:18 <swBot> KB size: 21

08:17:21 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :who. { :who a :HoopyFrood } log:implies { :who a :Answer}?

08:17:21 <swBot> @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

08:17:21 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

08:17:21 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

08:17:21 <swBot>

08:17:21 <swBot> :DanC a :Answer .

08:17:22 <swBot> [ a :Answer ].

08:17:24 <swBot>

08:18:43 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC contact:fullName "Dan Connolly".

08:18:43 <swBot> KB size: 30

08:18:59 <DanC_> swBot, goodnight.

08:19:00 <swBot> KB size: 30

08:19:08 <DanC_> whoah...

08:19:18 <DanC_> swBot, I said goodnight.

08:19:19 <swBot> KB size: 31

08:19:29 <DanC_> pzork?!?!

08:19:53 <DanC_> swBot, this { is bogus

08:20:08 <DanC_> swBot, this { is bogus.

08:20:08 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (object_list expected) at ^ in: " this { is bogus^."

08:20:12 <DanC_> that's better.

08:20:32 <DanC_> help

08:20:32 <swBot> UTSL @ http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

09:21:22 * danbri recommends folk use #rdfbot for bot testing (some danger of bot-to-bot interaction, but that might be interesting anyhow)

09:22:11 <danbri> DanC, I picked up the old chump code yesterday (linked from http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/) and hacked a quick extension in short time. While we wait for semantichimp, its a good basis for Python IRC hacking.

09:22:55 <danbri> Also, if you're finding it takes ages to log in, it might be because you're PC (or NAT box / firewall) is ignoring IDENTD queries from openprojects.

11:13:43 <danbri> hello aaron

11:14:15 <AaronSw> hello there

11:14:28 <AaronSw> there seems to have been some real exciting swBot interaction before I got kicked off

11:15:06 <danbri> were the bots interaction? in an xml-powered b2b loosly coupled web services p2p fashion?

11:15:12 <danbri> s/interaction/interacting/

11:15:29 <dajobe> in the style of robot wars, but with more semantics?

11:15:50 <AaronSw> heh!

11:15:54 <danbri> I'm going to buy a python book today; comparing perl bot hacking with pythons has tipped me over the edge

11:15:59 <dajobe> has anyone seen this:

11:16:01 <dajobe>http://meganesia.int.gu.edu.au/~phmartin/RDF/proposals.html

11:16:01 <dc_rdfig> B: http://meganesia.int.gu.edu.au/~phmartin/RDF/proposals.html from dajobe

11:16:07 <dajobe> B:|Propositions of Conventions and Ontologies

11:16:07 <dc_rdfig> titled item B

11:16:07 <dajobe> for the Resource Description Framework (RDF)

11:16:09 <danbri> he did some wordnet stuff

11:16:15 <dajobe> B:|Propositions of Conventions and Ontologies for the Resource Description Framework (RDF)

11:16:15 <dc_rdfig> titled item B

11:16:21 <AaronSw> swBot, UTSL?

11:16:21 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.daml.org/2001/03/daml+oil#> .

11:16:21 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

11:16:21 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

11:16:21 <swBot>

11:16:44 <danbri> yeah, that was posted to rdf-interest quite a while back. I think he presented in Hong Kong too, but I'd lost my voice at that stage so couldn't talk to him

11:20:04 <danbri> wordnet soap

11:20:08 <soapy> asking wordnet web service about: soap for danbri

11:20:10 <soapy> Results...: c: "soap used as a toiletry" x:http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Face_soap l: "Face_soap" c: "a soft (or liquid) soap made from vegetable oils; used in certain skin diseases" x:http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Green_soap l: "Green_soap" c: "a cleansing agent made from the salts of vegetable or animal fats" x:http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Soap l: "Soap [ 1 ]" c: "soap in liquid form" x:http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Liquid_soap l: "Liquid_soap"

11:21:06 <danbri> Can do arbitrary squishql queries, I'm trying to figure out how to set the target server/dataset, and how to glue irc'd query terms into squish query templates. formatting results is an interesting problem too...

11:21:06 <AaronSw> swBot, @prefix opn: <irc://irc.openprojects.net/> .

11:21:06 <swBot> KB size: 32

11:21:32 <AaronSw> swBot, opn:soapie,isnick a :Bot

11:21:48 <AaronSw> swBot, opn:soapie,isnick a :Bot .

11:21:49 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (expected '.' or '}' or ']' at end of statement) at ^ in: " opn:soapie^,isnick a :Bot ."

11:22:12 <AaronSw> swBot, <irc://irc.openprojects.net/soapie,isnick> a :Bot .

11:22:12 <swBot> KB size: 33

11:22:24 <AaronSw> swBot, <irc://irc.openprojects.net/swBot,isnick> a :Bot .

11:22:24 <swBot> KB size: 34

11:22:31 <AaronSw> swBot, <irc://irc.openprojects.net/dc_rdfig,isnick> a :Bot .

11:22:32 <swBot> KB size: 35

11:22:37 <AaronSw> swBot, <irc://irc.openprojects.net/logger,isnick> a :Bot .

11:22:37 <swBot> KB size: 36

11:23:32 <AaronSw> swBot, this log:forAll :x. {:x a :Bot .} log:implies { :x a :Bot .} .

11:23:32 <swBot> KB size: 42

11:23:35 <AaronSw> swBot, this log:forAll :x. {:x a :Bot .} log:implies { :x a :Bot .} .?

11:23:35 <swBot> huh?

11:23:36 <swBot> Line 1: Bad syntax (expected directive or statement) at ^ in: "...x a :Bot .} log:implies { :x a :Bot .} .^."

11:23:41 <AaronSw> swBot, this log:forAll :x. {:x a :Bot .} log:implies { :x a :Bot .} ?

11:23:42 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .

11:23:42 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

11:23:42 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

11:23:42 <swBot> @prefix opn: <irc://irc.openprojects.net/> .

11:23:42 <swBot>

11:23:42 <swBot> <irc://irc.openprojects.net/dc_rdfig,isnick> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Bot> .

11:23:44 <swBot>

11:23:46 <swBot> <irc://irc.openprojects.net/logger,isnick> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Bot> .

11:23:48 <swBot>

11:23:50 <swBot> <irc://irc.openprojects.net/soapie,isnick> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Bot> .

11:23:52 <swBot>

11:23:54 <swBot> <irc://irc.openprojects.net/swBot,isnick> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Bot> .

11:23:56 <swBot>

11:26:29 <AaronSw> swBot, :UTSL a :Acronym ; :means "Use The Source, Luke" .

11:26:29 <swBot> KB size: 60

11:27:08 <AaronSw> swBot, <irc://irc.openprojects.net/AaronSw,isnick> :reallyLikes <irc://irc.openprojects.net/swBot,isnick> .

11:27:08 <swBot> KB size: 61

11:27:44 <AaronSw> Hmm, I suppose that should be:

11:28:04 <AaronSw> swBot, [ foaf:nick "AaronSw"] :reallyLikes [ foaf:nick "swBot" ] .

11:28:06 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix foaf not bound) at ^ in: "^ foaf:nick "AaronSw"] :reallyLikes [ foa..."

11:28:28 <AaronSw> swBot, @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .

11:28:28 <swBot> KB size: 62

11:28:28 <AaronSw> swBot, [ foaf:nick "AaronSw"] :reallyLikes [ foaf:nick "swBot" ] .

11:28:29 <swBot> KB size: 67

11:29:02 <AaronSw> swBot, [foaf:nick "swBot" ] :needs [ dc:description "persistant storage" ] .

11:29:02 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix dc not bound) at ^ in: "^ dc:description "persistant storage" ] ...."

11:29:20 <AaronSw> @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .

11:29:21 <AaronSw> swBot, [foaf:nick "swBot" ] :needs [ dc:description "persistant storage" ] .

11:29:21 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix dc not bound) at ^ in: "^ dc:description "persistant storage" ] ...."

11:29:31 <AaronSw> swBot, @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .

11:29:31 <swBot> KB size: 73

11:29:35 <AaronSw> swBot, [foaf:nick "swBot" ] :needs [ dc:description "persistant storage" ] .

11:29:36 <swBot> KB size: 78

11:29:37 <tav> hmz

11:29:43 <AaronSw> Thank goodness for line buffers!

11:30:13 <tav> who dares challenge xena's might ?

11:30:30 <AaronSw> Now make Xena output in RDF/N3 and we'll have real fun! :-)

11:31:23 <tav> hmz

11:31:31 <tav> output what exactly?

11:31:48 <AaronSw> [foaf:nick "Xena", "hiroko"] a :Bot .

11:31:55 <AaronSw> swBot, [foaf:nick "Xena", "hiroko"] a :Bot .

11:31:55 <swBot> KB size: 82

11:32:09 <tav> ehm, what kinda syntax is that?

11:32:10 <AaronSw> hmz...

11:32:15 <AaronSw> That's RDF/N3

11:32:29 <tav> n3 ?

11:32:35 <tav> a striped down rdf ?

11:32:48 <AaronSw> More like enhanced up. ;-)

11:32:51 <tav> ic

11:33:30 <AaronSw> swBot, :N3 foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3> ; :primer <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer.html> .

11:33:30 <swBot> KB size: 84

11:33:37 <tav> hmz

11:33:48 <tav> well, the whole point is to use natural language syntax....

11:34:09 <deltab> tav; n3 is far closer to that than xml :-)

11:34:23 <AaronSw> yeah, that's the idea.

11:34:35 <tav> well, why are you talking to it in syntax?

11:34:58 <AaronSw> Because nat.lang. is really hard

11:35:07 <deltab> why are you talking to us in syntax?

11:36:26 <tav> well, not natural language...

11:37:27 <tav> oooh http://monkeyfist.com:8080/morgue/technology/rdf-n3-primer running zope

11:37:33 <tav> .whois monkeyfist.com

11:37:33 <xena> MONKEYFIST.COM registered to nobody expires on 17-Sep-2001

11:37:35 <danbri>http://www.w3.org/RDF/Metalog/

11:37:35 <dc_rdfig> C: http://www.w3.org/RDF/Metalog/ from danbri

11:37:45 <tav> look what you did deltab!

11:37:52 <tav> ehm, danbri ;p

11:38:26 <deltab> uh, just because my birthday appears on something doesn't mean it's anything to do with me

11:38:35 <danbri> C:Metalog - a natural language rdf query system

11:38:35 <dc_rdfig> commented item C

11:38:38 <AaronSw> happy birthday, deltab!

11:38:41 <danbri> C:|Metalog - a natural language rdf query system

11:38:42 <dc_rdfig> titled item C

11:38:53 <danbri> C:A few years old, this. Good reference for natural language meets RDF query and inference.

11:38:53 <dc_rdfig> commented item C

11:38:57 <deltab> AaronSw: you're a month early

11:39:03 <tav> 17th september...

11:39:18 <AaronSw> happy early birthday, then

11:39:24 <deltab> thanks :-)

11:39:48 <danbri> C:I think, along with DesignIssues/, Enabling Inference and the Query/Inference Services for RDF papers, it was amongst the first in the (now blossoming) rdf-logic tradition.

11:39:48 <dc_rdfig> commented item C

11:39:49 * AaronSw wonders about this Morgue...

11:40:50 <tav> hmz

11:41:03 <tav> swBot, [ <#name> "Pat"; <#age> "24"; <#eyecolor> "blue" ]

11:41:16 <AaronSw> swBot, [ <#name> "Pat"; <#age> "24"; <#eyecolor> "blue" ] .

11:41:17 <swBot> KB size: 88

11:41:35 <AaronSw> (needs a period at the end)

11:41:48 <tav> swBot, [ <#name> "John"; <#age> "21"; <#eyecolor> "yelow" ].

11:41:48 <swBot> KB size: 92

11:42:35 <tav> hmz, this is surprisingly similar to xena's AI system

11:43:17 <AaronSw> hmm, really? perhaps you should come over to the sw/ai side

11:43:26 <deltab> tav: oh?

11:43:28 <tav> sw / ai ?

11:43:33 <deltab> which, the infobot?

11:43:46 <tav> deltab: no, creature

11:43:49 <deltab> that was just a lookup table

11:43:54 <tav> hmz?

11:44:05 <AaronSw> sw/ai => Semantic Web is AI... etc.

11:44:05 <deltab> creature has an AI system?

11:44:26 <tav> yea... why do you think we deprecaed xena, command?

11:44:38 <tav> s/deprecaed/deprecated

11:44:47 <tav> : .commands

11:44:50 <deltab> tav: because peop[le had got the hang of it?

11:44:51 <tav> : x python

11:45:00 <dajobe> the semantic web is not ai

11:45:01 <tav> : xena, command

11:45:07 <tav> ehm

11:45:11 <tav> : xena, ai statement

11:45:17 <tav> dajobe: lol

11:45:21 <tav> argh

11:45:25 <deltab> yes?

11:45:26 <tav> deltab: lol

11:45:36 * danbri encourages bot testers to have fun in #rdfbot

11:45:47 <dajobe> see http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/RDFnot.html [[A Semantic Web is not Artificial Intelligence

11:45:47 <dajobe> ]] - TimBl

11:46:08 <danbri> Well he would say that, wouldn't he!

11:46:34 <dajobe> yeah #rdfbot please

11:47:52 <tav> dajobe: i beg to differ, a semantic web, makes "artificial intelligence", where AI is the ability to translate queries in natural language syntax into useful natural language results, very plausible

11:48:17 <dajobe> plausible - not identical to

11:48:37 <tav> never said it was...

11:48:52 <tav> AI is a totally separate layer altogether

11:49:06 <tav> but several parts make a whole

11:49:31 <danbri> The SW will use as much AI technology as is ready and deployable, but will also happen on fairly low-tech database like tech. It doesn't need fancy smarts to be useful, but if useful, will be pretty smart...

11:50:10 <tav> what is SW ?

11:50:13 <tav> oh

11:50:15 <tav> ignore that

11:50:50 * AaronSw wonders why is email isn't downloading.

11:51:01 <tav> AaronSw: didn't you figure this out yesterday?

11:51:05 <tav> danbri: agreed

11:51:22 <AaronSw> tav, it broke again

11:51:28 <AaronSw> in a different way this time

11:54:12 <AaronSw> and this time it's not my fault :-)

12:01:27 * danbri waves, heads off to find brighton

12:18:58 <tav> laters

12:19:04 <tav> ehm

12:19:07 <tav> brighton, uk?

12:19:20 <tav> didn't realise danbri lived in the uk

12:20:49 <deltab> tav: Uni of Bristol

12:27:03 <tav> ic, thanks dan

12:27:09 <tav> eeek

12:27:10 <tav> two dans

12:29:59 <deltab> tav: at least three

12:31:16 * em_ plays catchup on rdfig log

12:31:22 <em_> em_ is now known as em

12:33:51 <tav> .date

12:33:52 <xena> Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:33:51 Universal

12:50:25 <AaronSw> Open offer to any Boston-area SW hackers: I'd be happy to have a snack/chat with anyone who's around the next few days

12:51:03 <danbri> bummer, I'm out of town.

12:52:00 * em agrees on both parts...

12:52:16 <em> perhaps next time :)

12:52:21 <AaronSw> :-)

12:52:42 <AaronSw> Maybe you should come to Chicago, one of these days... I'm tired of chasing you around the country ;-)

12:53:05 <em> :)

12:57:37 <dajobe> FYI: there is a thread "The Map/Territory Conundrum in Topic Maps vs. RDF" on xml-dev last few days

12:57:37 <dc_rdfig> Label FYI not found.

12:59:25 <barstow> dajobe - is OK with you if I take the files from http://ilrt.org/people/cmdjb/2001/05/rdf-ns-prefix-confusion/ and put them in http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdf-ns-prefix-confusion/ ? I would also probably rename *.n3 to *.nt; rename testNN-bad.rdf to errorNNNN.rdf; rename testNN.* testNNNN.*

12:59:37 <dajobe> yes

12:59:53 <dajobe> I was going to do that but never got permission for ages

13:00:31 <AaronSw> hmm, stomach's growling... I better go down for breakfast. c'ya later

13:01:09 <barstow> dajobe - Do you have other rdfcore test cases that are not at http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/ ?

13:01:34 <barstow> I'd ask Jan the same question but he's still on vacation, I suppose ...

13:01:54 <danbri> gets back tommorrow.

13:02:23 <dajobe> I don't think so

13:02:27 * dajobe -> meeting

13:04:15 * danbri -> brighton (really this time)

14:35:28 * DanC_ stops swBot to add persistent storage...

15:55:56 * em pops in quickly to ask if anyone is running peerkat?

16:02:27 * em waits the 5 min he gave himself to install peerkat and moves on to other items on his to-do list

16:09:59 * DanC_ waves to lynn

16:32:07 * DanC_ commits httpAsync.py , the start of persistent storage for rdfn3chat

16:32:27 <DanC_> oops!

16:32:37 <DanC_> I think I committed something else, actually

17:05:34 <DanC_> I think I've got my bot saving via IRC now...

17:09:31 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <http://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#>.

17:09:31 <swBot> KB size: 0

17:09:52 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>.

17:09:52 <swBot> KB size: 0

17:10:11 <DanC_> swBot, :Dog u:subClassOf :Animal.

17:10:11 <swBot> KB size: 1

17:10:16 <DanC_> swbot, save!

17:10:35 <DanC_> swbot, hello

17:12:22 <bijan> Another bot!

17:12:36 <bijan> Ahead of mine.

17:12:46 <bijan> In some ways.

17:13:08 <bijan> Different, I think.

17:13:19 <bijan> Oh well, I'll finish this version anyway :)

17:14:24 <bijan> Are you using notation.py to parse?

17:14:29 <DanC_> yes.

17:14:44 <bijan> So it just takes arbitaray n3?

17:14:47 <bijan> That's kinda neat.

17:14:49 <DanC_> yup.

17:14:56 <DanC_> thanks.

17:15:14 * DanC_ is debugging save stuff... wonders why it didn't work.

17:15:30 <bijan> Heh. That was my origianl plan except 1) I wasn't following notation.py and 2) I don't really want arbitrary n3 ;)

17:15:33 <DanC_> swBot, :are :you :there.

17:15:33 <swBot> KB size: 2

17:17:04 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:17:05 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:17:05 * em curious if swbot can remove assertions?

17:17:16 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:17:23 <em> eg... swBot, :Dog u:subClassOf :Animul.

17:17:29 * em curses typo

17:17:43 <em> and now wants to remove to correct this?

17:18:13 <bijan> For the chimp I plan to let you assert that something is a correction

17:18:27 <bijan> for something else.

17:18:50 <bijan> Then have my queries for publishing purpose go for the latest correction.

17:18:57 <bijan> Or something like that.

17:19:07 <bijan> Rather than actually deleting statements.

17:19:51 * bijan wonders if he should just steal dan's code...

17:20:12 * DanC_ has already granted bijan license, so it wouldn't be stealing...

17:20:24 <bijan> Heheh.

17:20:59 <bijan> I think I'll finish the hacky version first. I've all sorts of plans to rewrite it anyway :)

17:21:25 <bijan> But I sure was cursing string passing as evil this weekend :)

17:21:28 <DanC_> A:

17:21:28 <dc_rdfig>http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

17:21:29 <dc_rdfig> scribe-bot -- toward automated meeting scribe

17:21:30 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) scribe-bot -- toward automated meeting scribe

17:21:31 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) ircAsync.py 1.1 checked in

17:21:32 <dc_rdfig> (AaronSw) I see a promising future for these kinds of bots...

17:21:33 <dc_rdfig> (AaronSw) Maybe I'll even get around to hacking on them

17:21:34 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) next step: a module to connect ircAsync.py with cwm.py/notation3.py

17:21:35 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) RDF/n3 in from IRC is working.

17:21:36 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) it answers questions now. (rdfn3chat.py 1.3)

17:21:37 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) TODO: take advantage of the medusa/asyncore architecture and answer HTTP requests as well; e.g. dump the KB in RDF/xml

17:21:40 <dc_rdfig> (DanC_) TODO: grab stuff by reference. (hmm... can use log:resolvesTo to do this already, to some extent)

17:21:44 <DanC_> A:aha! saving works! [bot state|http://www.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf]

17:21:44 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

17:21:46 <bijan> Strings suck.

17:21:53 <bijan> ircAsync.py? A new irc lib?

17:22:00 <DanC_> yes, a new irc lib

17:22:12 * bijan starts checking things off his todo list.

17:22:16 <bijan> Unless I hate it :)

17:22:23 * DanC_ commits current code, now that it seems to work...

17:27:18 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>.

17:27:19 <swBot> KB size: 2

17:27:26 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

17:27:26 <swBot> KB size: 2

17:28:18 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

17:28:19 <swBot> KB size: 2

17:28:50 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :x. { :x u:subClassOf :Animal } log:implies { :x a :Answer}?

17:28:50 <swBot> @prefix : <http://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

17:28:50 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

17:28:50 <swBot> @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .

17:28:50 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

17:28:50 <swBot> @prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .

17:28:51 <swBot>

17:28:53 <swBot> :Dog a :Answer .

17:28:55 <swBot>

17:29:39 <DanC_> swBot, help

17:29:39 <swBot> huh? no ., ?, nor ! at end

17:29:43 <DanC_> help

17:30:18 <DanC_> swBot, <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/> dc:title "scribe-bot source code".

17:30:18 <swBot> KB size: 10

17:30:28 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:30:29 <swBot> sorry, I'm already saving for #rdfig

17:30:35 <DanC_> phtpht.

17:31:49 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

17:33:03 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

17:33:04 <swBot> KB size: 0

17:33:14 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

17:33:15 <swBot> KB size: 0

17:33:20 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>.

17:33:21 <swBot> KB size: 0

17:33:38 <DanC_> swBot, <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/> dc:title "scribe-bot source code".

17:33:38 <swBot> KB size: 1

17:33:47 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:33:47 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:33:51 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:34:48 <DanC_> swBot, :UTSL a :Acronym ; :means "Use The Source, Luke" .

17:34:48 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix not bound) at ^ in: "^:UTSL a :Acronym ; :means "Use The Sourc..."

17:35:08 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <http://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

17:35:08 <swBot> KB size: 1

17:35:10 <DanC_> swBot, :UTSL a :Acronym ; :means "Use The Source, Luke" .

17:35:10 <swBot> KB size: 3

17:35:13 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:35:14 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:35:18 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:35:46 <DanC_> oops...

17:35:52 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

17:35:52 <swBot> KB size: 3

17:35:55 <DanC_> swBot, :UTSL a :Acronym ; :means "Use The Source, Luke" .

17:35:56 <swBot> KB size: 5

17:35:59 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:36:00 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:36:05 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:36:57 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .

17:36:57 <swBot> KB size: 5

17:37:06 * em looks at http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf and likes what he sees :)

17:37:20 <DanC_> it's also available at http://www.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf

17:37:47 <DanC_> it's a minimal meeting scribe.

17:37:56 <em> excellent!

17:37:58 <bijan> That coverted from n3 to rdf/xml by cwm?

17:38:07 <DanC_> yes, bijan.

17:38:18 <bijan> Nice.

17:38:29 <DanC_> em, cwm supports multiple contexts, so I'm considering supporting pushing into contexts for "today", "this meeting", etc.

17:38:39 <bijan> A week ago i'd have been dancing :)

17:38:48 <bijan> ooo, too complex for me

17:38:54 <em> go DanC_ go!

17:39:10 <DanC_> well, I had to muck with cwm contexts a bit to handle questions/queries. e.g.:

17:39:37 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :x. { :x a :Acronym } log:implies { :x a :Answer }?

17:39:38 <swBot> @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#> .

17:39:38 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

17:39:38 <swBot> @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .

17:39:38 <swBot> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .

17:39:38 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

17:39:38 <swBot>

17:39:40 <swBot> :UTSL a :Answer .

17:39:42 <swBot>

17:40:58 <DanC_> I'm not sure what's the best way to support corrections. contexts are one possibility; e.g. I could have a context for everything since the last save, and I could roll back.

17:42:03 <bijan> is there anything that takes aaron's rss in n3 and generates idiomatic RSS/XML?

17:42:25 <bijan> (Aaron's RSS/N3: http://logicerror.com/rss-in-n3-example)

17:42:28 <DanC_> um... yeah, he's got cwm hooked up to ah HTML frms interface somewhere

17:43:29 <bijan> hmm.

17:43:51 <bijan> Ok, I'm going to ignore you because I *don't* want to throw away this weekend's work....*yet* :)

17:43:55 <DanC_> here it is: http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf

17:44:37 <DanC_> ignore: very well. I wouldn't want to derail your train of thought.

17:45:00 <bijan> Hmm. It can't covert his example.

17:45:10 <bijan> Dan: What you have is very cool.

17:45:17 <DanC_> swBot, <http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf> dc:title "N3<->RDF Conversion Service".

17:45:17 <swBot> KB size: 13

17:45:41 <DanC_> <http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf> :chumpedIn <http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2001/06/15/2001-06-15.html>.

17:45:48 <DanC_> swBot, <http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf> :chumpedIn <http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2001/06/15/2001-06-15.html>.

17:45:49 <swBot> KB size: 14

17:45:55 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:45:55 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:46:00 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:46:10 <em>http://www.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf

17:46:11 <dc_rdfig> D: http://www.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf from em

17:46:18 * em oops

17:46:23 <em> arrg...

17:46:36 <em> DanC_: test

17:46:41 <em> D:test

17:46:41 <dc_rdfig> commented item D

17:49:56 <em> D:Sample output from DanC's swBot http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

17:49:56 <dc_rdfig> commented item D

17:50:23 <DanC_> em, it's linked from A: as well

17:50:43 * em is testing a personal aggregation tool

17:50:58 * em sorry for additional chump

17:51:16 <DanC_> no problem. I'm hardly innocent of clogging up the channel lately ;-)

17:51:23 <em> :)

17:51:40 <DanC_> D:|state of the swBot

17:51:40 <dc_rdfig> titled item D

17:52:14 <DanC_> swBot, [ dc:description "periodic saves"] a :TODO.

17:52:14 <swBot> KB size: 17

17:53:08 <bijan> Dan: The chump saves every write.

17:53:13 <bijan> I recommend that.

17:53:35 <bijan> I enjoyed "CHURN"ing on the origianl DWLB, but you do lose stuff occasionally :)

17:53:44 <DanC_> swBot, [ dc:description "allow folks to ask for administrivia like KB size without adding assertions. also, time since last save. maybe etag"] a :TODO.

17:53:44 <swBot> KB size: 20

17:53:56 <DanC_> DWLB?

17:54:00 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:54:00 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:54:04 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:54:06 <bijan> DiaWebLogBot, the chump precursor.

17:54:10 * bijan is writing up a history...:)

17:55:12 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix rdfig-chat: <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#>.

17:55:12 <swBot> KB size: 20

17:55:17 <DanC_> swBot, save!

17:55:17 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

17:55:21 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

17:57:41 <DanC_> swBot, <http://logicerror.com/rss-in-n3-example> dc:description "RSS/n3 example".

17:57:42 <swBot> KB size: 21

18:01:02 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix rss: <http://purl.org/rss/1.0/> . this log:forAll :i, :t. { <http://logicerror.com/rss-in-n3-example> log:resolvesTo [ log:includes :i rss:title :t ] } log:implies { :t a :Answer} ?

18:01:02 <swBot> huh?

18:01:02 <swBot> Line 1: Bad syntax (']' expected) at ^ in: "...xample> log:resolvesTo [ log:includes :i^ rss:title :t ] } log:implies { :t a :An..."

18:01:21 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix rss: <http://purl.org/rss/1.0/> . this log:forAll :i, :t. { <http://logicerror.com/rss-in-n3-example> log:resolvesTo [ log:includes {:i rss:title :t} ] } log:implies { :t a :Answer} ?

18:02:15 <DanC_> oh crud... same bug: cwm.py|evaluateObject2|592 There is no variable named 'experience'

18:03:12 <DanC_> A:TODO: support reloading (e.g. after it loses its marbles)

18:03:12 <dc_rdfig> commented item A

18:04:21 <DanC_> bijan, re saving every time: this thing saves via HTTP. our HTTP server is backed by CVS; i.e. it keeps every version.

18:05:52 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix : <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#>.

18:05:52 <swBot> KB size: 0

18:06:05 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix rdfig-chat: <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#>.

18:06:05 <swBot> KB size: 0

18:06:24 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>.

18:06:24 <swBot> KB size: 0

18:06:43 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>.

18:06:44 <swBot> KB size: 0

18:09:11 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>.

18:09:12 <swBot> KB size: 0

18:29:21 <DanC_> hmm... Euler might be a better engine for such a bot. it does backward chaining.

18:29:27 * DanC_ checks out recent redfoot release...

18:43:39 <DanC_> hm... not much in the docs.

19:24:49 <bijan> DanC_ re: saving...ah, yes, good. I was ftping with the DWLB, so yeah, an explicit save is good.

19:32:26 <cris|out> cris|out is now known as cris|bed

19:44:25 <DanC_> swBot, :x [.

19:44:26 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (']' expected) at ^ in: " :x [^."

19:44:45 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:title "The W3C Home Page".

19:44:54 * DanC_ invites ericm to flesh out a swBot use case...

19:45:03 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:publisher "W3C".

19:45:20 <DanC_> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:publisher [ contact:name "W3C"].

19:45:29 <DanC_> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:publisher [ contact:name "W3C"].

19:45:29 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (Prefix contact not bound) at ^ in: "...^ contact:name "W3C"]."

19:45:47 <DanC_> swBot, @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

19:45:47 <swBot> KB size: 2

19:45:59 <DanC_> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:publisher [= :W3C; contact:name "W3C"].

19:45:59 <swBot> KB size: 4

19:46:12 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "standards", :label "web architecture", :label "collaboration" ].

19:47:09 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "standards" ].

19:47:20 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "web architecture" ].

19:47:25 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "collaboration" ].

19:47:37 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "cool internet stuff" ].

19:47:55 <em> <http://www.w3.org/> dc:description "The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops interoperable technologies (specifications, guidelines, software, and tools) to lead the Web to its full potential as a forum for information, commerce, communication, and collective understanding.

19:47:55 <em> ".

19:47:57 <deltab> em: you need to address the bot

19:48:20 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:description "The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops interoperable technologies (specifications, guidelines, software, and tools) to lead the Web to its full potential as a forum for information, commerce, communication, and collective understanding.

19:48:21 <swBot> huh? Line 1: Bad syntax (unterminated string literal) at ^ in: "...^The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) deve..."

19:48:36 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:description "The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops interoperable technologies (specifications, guidelines, software, and tools) to lead the Web to its full potential as a forum for information, commerce, communication, and collective understanding".

19:48:38 <swBot> KB size: 5

19:48:50 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "cool internet stuff" ].

19:48:50 <swBot> KB size: 8

19:48:59 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "collaboration" ].

19:49:00 <swBot> KB size: 11

19:49:09 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:subject [ :label "web architecture" ].

19:49:10 <swBot> KB size: 14

19:49:14 <DanC_> swBot, retract A23!

19:49:14 <swBot> huh? save is the only command I know.

19:49:37 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:publisher [ contact:name "W3C"].

19:49:38 <swBot> KB size: 17

19:49:48 <em> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> dc:title "The W3C Home Page".

19:49:48 <swBot> KB size: 18

19:50:10 <em> swBot, save!

19:50:13 <swBot> saving to http://jigteam.w3.org/2001/08/rdfn3chat-state.rdf ...

19:50:17 <swBot> PUT response: 204 No Content

19:50:29 <DanC_> swBot, this log:forAll :p. { :p dc:subject [ :label [ log:startsWith "web"]]} log:implies { :p a :Answer}?

19:50:30 <swBot> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .

19:50:30 <swBot> @prefix contact: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#> .

19:50:30 <swBot> @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .

19:50:30 <swBot> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

19:50:30 <swBot> @prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .

19:50:31 <swBot>

19:50:33 <swBot> <http://www.w3.org/> a <irc://irc.openprojects.net/rdfig#Answer> .

19:50:35 <swBot>

20:00:45 <em> swBot, ?where danc

20:00:46 <swBot> huh? no ., ?, nor ! at end

20:00:51 <DanC_> swBot, :DanC :location ?where ?

20:01:16 <DanC_> swBot, ?where is :location of :DanC?

20:01:29 <em> swBot, ?where "danc"

20:02:27 * AaronSw waves

20:02:33 * DanC_ waves

20:02:41 <DanC_> I killed the bot a second ago.

20:03:56 * AaronSw reviews logs; offers em Peerkat debugging

20:04:18 * em will take AaronSw up on this in sec if still offered.. on phone with danc about bot

20:04:48 <em> swBot, retract <http://www.w3.org/>.

20:04:53 <em> swBot, retract <http://www.w3.org/>!

20:04:55 <DanC_> yeah.

20:05:17 <em> would it retract the tuples that *I* wrote about this?

20:05:40 <bijan> Yeek!

20:05:44 <AaronSw> swBot, <http://www.w3.org/> a log:Falsehood .

20:05:54 <DanC_> no, it would retract the stuff it loaded from that page.

20:07:02 <AaronSw> swBot, save!

20:10:22 <em> so... swBot is an in-memory cwm?

20:10:30 <DanC_> yup.

20:10:34 <em> excellent! :)

20:10:36 <AaronSw> cwm is in-memory too, no?

20:10:56 * DanC_ takes em on a tour of the source code... http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/

20:11:05 <em> in-memory constantly... keeps gettign feed, keeps producing answers

20:21:31 <em> swBot, ?where is :location of :DanC? ... swBot find DanC

20:27:18 <em> action that still need to be implemented... load? forget?

20:27:34 <em> and... think?

20:27:57 * em thinks performance may be an issue here, yes?

21:11:44 <em> AaronSw, still up for some peerkat debuging?

21:11:55 <AaronSw> sure think, em

21:11:59 <AaronSw> err thing

21:12:03 <em> :)

21:12:18 <bijan> Aaron: do you have an RSS/N3 to RSS/idiomaticXML translator?

21:12:40 <AaronSw> i do, and I think you saw it earlier

21:12:52 <bijan> It wasn't working on your example RSS/N3.

21:12:54 <AaronSw> I saw the bug you pointed out... but the CVS server seems to be down so I can't really upgrade

21:13:00 <bijan> Ah.

21:13:09 <bijan> So it, in principle, works.

21:13:12 <bijan> Good ;)

21:13:15 <AaronSw> yes, let me try to upgrade again

21:13:36 * bijan prepares to throw away lots of hacky, painful, spent-to-much-time-on-it code :(

21:13:39 <bijan> But not today :)

21:16:47 <tav> hmz

21:16:50 <tav> hi all

21:21:14 <ASwartz> ASwartz is now known as AaronSw

21:26:18 * DanC_ waves to Drew

21:54:39 * DanC_ has loading into swBot just about implemented, but has to dash...

21:55:54 * DanC_ checks in *very* lightly tested loading code before dashing...

21:57:53 <DrewMcD> oh, everyone is there now