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02:59:33 <danja> and wonders whether Aaron will make it south of the river...
03:00:00 <danja> [[mate]]
03:08:30 <danja> I'm sure this has been chumped before : 
03:08:31 <danja> http://vivisimo.com/
03:08:32 <dc_rdfig> A: http://vivisimo.com/ from danja
03:10:07 <danja> A:| Vivisimo
03:10:07 <dc_rdfig> titled item A
03:10:19 <danja> A: scraped semantics
03:10:19 <dc_rdfig> commented item A
03:11:14 <danja> A: and it works
03:11:14 <dc_rdfig> commented item A
03:12:27 <danja> A: (probably Bayes stuff on words, meself I think Kohonen would be even better)
03:12:27 <dc_rdfig> commented item A
03:13:04 <danja> A: alsoRefersTo:
03:13:04 <dc_rdfig> commented item A
03:14:13 <danja> http://www.rdf.co.uk/
03:14:13 <dc_rdfig> B: http://www.rdf.co.uk/ from danja
03:14:32 <danja> B:| RDF Media
03:14:32 <dc_rdfig> titled item B
03:14:56 <danja> B: "Makes television worth watching"
03:14:57 <dc_rdfig> commented item B
03:16:14 <danja> B: an aspiration for the SW perhaps?
03:16:14 <dc_rdfig> commented item B
03:16:38 <danja> B: "...worth browsing..."
03:16:38 <dc_rdfig> commented item B
03:18:23 <danja> B: (so's my diary will make an appointment with the foot-doctor on Channel 9)
03:18:23 <dc_rdfig> commented item B
03:19:24 <danja> happy new year, y'all
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05:26:15 <tim> Happy New Year everyone on eastern time...
05:41:00 <tav`> happy new years!
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05:41:17 <tav`> .time est
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16:13:18 <jah-mac> * jah-mac wishes all a happy 2002 
16:15:52 <jah-mac> * jah-mac (Checking logs he sees Tim got there first, as usual...)
16:16:08 <dajobe> hi jim, merry new y2k+2
16:16:18 <dajobe> got a new mac?
16:32:58 <jah-mac> dajobe - finally went over to OS X - machine not that new
16:33:24 <jah-mac> using this name because it wouldn't let me connect as jhendler - think I left a connection open somewhere
16:33:42 <dajobe> if you've registered the nick, you can kick yourself off
16:34:01 <dajobe> ... ah, you haven't
16:34:48 <jah-mac> hmm, hadn' bothered - maybe I should 
16:35:11 <jah-mac> where did you check?
16:35:11 <dajobe> it does mean a little more fuss (1 command) when logging in to OPN
16:35:34 <dajobe> do /msg nickserv help and look for the register command (change your nick to what you want first)
16:36:21 <jah-mac> thanks - I remember now, I had trouble with it on an older ircle version - maybe will try again when I'm back to myself...
16:36:22 <dajobe> I used the nickserv info command to look up the nick
16:36:40 <dajobe> how's the f2f prep going?
16:37:33 <jah-mac> pretty well - we have an agenda posted (URI in a min)
16:37:47 <dajobe> * dajobe reading http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Dec/0179.html
16:38:06 <jah-mac> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Dec/0179.html
16:38:07 <dc_rdfig> C: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Dec/0179.html from jah-mac
16:38:07 <dajobe> betcha by 5pm Monday, Tuesday's agenda will change :)
16:38:24 <jah-mac> C:|Agenda for WOW-G F2f
16:38:24 <dc_rdfig> titled item C
16:38:35 <dajobe> wow! gee!
16:38:38 <jah-mac> C: agenda for the web ont working group face to face
16:38:38 <dc_rdfig> commented item C
16:39:04 <jah-mac> we haven't yet figured out the name of the language, but Aaron's name for the WG has stuck...
16:39:11 <dajobe> shouldn't it be WO-WG
16:39:40 <jah-mac> shhh!  don't be logical.  we generally do WOWG and assume the cogniscenti will figure it out
16:39:59 <dajobe> I guess WONTWG won't work
16:40:15 <jah-mac> latest proposal for langauge name is "Ontology Web Language" (OWL)
16:40:23 <dajobe> I read that
16:40:28 <jah-mac> Hmmm, WONT Work Group makes some sense to me...
16:40:32 <dajobe> :)
16:40:36 <dajobe> 50 members!
16:41:10 <jah-mac> goes to show W3C can do some "researchy" things sometimes without a member revolt...
16:42:12 <jah-mac> interesting is that the "big players" seem to be watching and sniffing at the edges - not yet members, but I hear reports they're talking to members and keeping an eye on what we do.
16:42:24 <jah-mac> either that, or being WG chair is making me paranoid :->
16:44:49 <jah-mac> * jah-mac is away, ;(back later)
16:44:51 <dajobe> WOWG page needs those daml submissions added?
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17:27:03 <jah-mac> dajobe - my project for today is to see if I can get CVS working from my Mac Linux and use it to get to W3 site - adding DAML submission to WOWG page is on my list if I can somehow make this work (wouldn't work from a remote window to my Unix machine - think it is an issue of getting RSA keys right when there's more than one ssh running - sigh)
17:30:31 <dajobe> there's useful ssh/cvs help on sourceforge.net - see the help area
17:30:59 <dajobe> for key management, have a look at the ssh-agent program
17:31:07 <jah-mac> thanks - will take a look at those
17:52:01 <jah-mac> dajobe - still here?
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18:03:24 <jah-mac> quick cvs question:  when one commits the -m option can be used to comment - is there a way to use either the history command or something else to see the history associated with a particular file?  Seems like it should be obvious to do, but the man page for history is weak and I'm hoping someone here can answer faster than I can download the CVS bible...
18:04:06 <deltab> cvs log
18:05:35 <jah-mac> thought of that - but doesn't seem to be working - maybe I need a full command that I'm getting long - if I want to see the log for foo.bar what would be the full command (including options)
18:06:55 <jah-mac> never mind - forgot the "-l" flag that fixed it.  thanks!
18:09:32 <dajobe> back
18:10:44 <jah-mac> I added pointer to the D+O TR to the events section of webont home page - was there something other than that you had in mind before?
18:10:53 <dajobe> nope
18:11:41 <jah-mac> you were right - we had cited the submission and the fact of acceptance, but not the actual TR - I'll yell at DanC later :->
18:12:31 <jah-mac> anyone know the new syntax for asking xena to do a command?
18:12:33 <dajobe> better link to all the submissions
18:12:44 <dajobe> .google aaron
18:12:45 <xena> aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com
18:12:57 <jah-mac> .google shoe
18:12:58 <xena> shoe: http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/plus/SHOE
18:13:22 <dajobe> I see google now on www.w3.org home page as search system now
18:13:28 <jah-mac> cool - thanks.  for years "shoe" got shoe stores, with renewed interest in Sem Web, the language has made it to the top...
18:14:53 <jah-mac> dajobe - what do you mean "all the submissions"?
18:15:27 <dajobe> there are 4 docs composing the damil+oil submission
18:15:33 <dajobe> daml+oil
18:17:16 <jah-mac> yes - I see, I thought they were all linked together (they were in one version of the submission, back before we were allowed to talk about it).  
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18:18:28 <jeffbarr> Happy new year everyone. Did anyone else receive a package of patents via Fedex from Merchant & Gould?
18:19:44 <dajobe> I don't think there are many people around today
18:20:06 <jah-mac> hmm, submission mentions 7 documents, 4 of which show up on TR page, all of which do have W3 pages - what a mess.
18:20:30 <jah-mac> probably should make my own dispatch page for all of these and link to that.
18:20:42 <dajobe> jeffbarr: why do you ask?
18:20:53 <jah-mac> although we did have a link to the submission itself
18:23:29 <jeffbarr> I got a packet via Fedex yesterday from a law firm. They state that a company has developed and patented a way of dynamically organizing and patenting data, and that "Implementations of the well-known Resource Description Framework ("RDF") and RDF Site Summary ("RSS") technologies, among other uses, may be covered by one of more of the claims of UDTL's patents." They enclosed copies of the patents and are interested in development and licensing.
18:24:23 <dajobe> oh dear
18:24:36 <dajobe> maybe you should mail www-rdf-interest?
18:24:38 <jah-mac> that's scary, wonder what the dates are
18:24:51 <jeffbarr> Patent was filed on Dec 15, 1994.
18:24:52 <jah-mac> (on the patents)
18:25:16 <jah-mac> very scary.
18:26:05 <jeffbarr> I will call the attorney next week and see what their real plan is before making a big issue of this.
18:26:57 <dajobe> got any patent numbers - US ones I assume?
18:27:31 <jeffbarr> US Patent 5,684,985 issued November 4, 1997
18:28:28 <dajobe> " Method and apparatus utilizing bond identifiers executed upon accessing of an endo-dynamic information node (EDIN)"
18:28:56 <jah-mac> be an interesting prior art battle if it came to it - hope it isn't a big deal
18:29:13 <dajobe> I'm tempted to say, the semantic web was around since Tim's first design 10 years ago
18:29:24 <jeffbarr> Agreed. I will talk to the attorney next week, and if he starts to get testy with me then I will 
18:29:31 <jeffbarr> rally the community around this.
18:30:11 <dajobe> more software patent madness
18:32:02 <jeffbarr> Yes. There's a second patent, US #6,092,077 - "Binary-Oriented Set Sequencing", filed Dec 18, 1998 and issued July 18, 2000.
18:32:26 <jah-mac> wonder who else the sent this to - I see why you were asking
18:32:49 <jeffbarr> I probably got some attention as the developer of www.syndic8.com, which does RSS parsing.
18:33:12 <dajobe> . http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/03-10-00.html
18:34:24 <jah-mac> wow - this sounds very ugly - article is scary
18:34:35 <jeffbarr> Ouch, this sucks. The cover letter did not mention a suit. They probably open with the cordial letter and then if you fail to fold, then they add you to the suit.
18:35:47 <jah-mac> enforcement doesn't necessarily mean suit -- however I would strongly suggest you bring this to w3c attention as they mention RDF in your letter 
18:36:00 <dajobe> yes
18:36:24 <jeffbarr> Ok, will do. I am not on the mailing list, but I will join ASAP.
18:36:51 <jah-mac> http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/03-10-00.html
18:36:51 <dc_rdfig> D: http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/03-10-00.html from jah-mac
18:37:08 <jah-mac> D:|article re: software patent issue
18:37:08 <dc_rdfig> titled item D
18:37:50 <jah-mac> Jeffbarr - want to annote the chump re: what you said above?
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18:38:13 <jeffbarr> I have no idea what "annote the chump" means :-)
18:38:29 <mnot> Hi jeff
18:38:33 <jeffbarr> Hi Mark...
18:38:38 <mnot> ah, chump ;)
18:39:01 <jah-mac> ahh, the links posted here go to a web page (http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/index.html)
18:39:02 <jeffbarr> We are discussing a patent issue that showed up on my front door. See http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/03-10-00.html for more info.
18:39:26 <dajobe> I've found more about UDTL
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18:39:44 <jah-mac> comments can be added to them - I can do for you or you can do yourself by prefixing lines with "D:"
18:39:50 <dajobe> Google PDF-to-HTML http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:-Vs1xomvXSQ:www.pearlltd.com/content/2000annualreport.pdf+Unified+Data+Technologies+Ltd.+(UDTL)&hl=en&client=googlet
18:40:29 <dajobe> " UDTL, a private company registered in Barbados, claims that RDF relies on technology covered by UDTL's patent.  This Agreement has been assigned to PEARL (New Jersey). ..."
18:40:40 <jeffbarr> Jah-mac -- go ahead, since I'm not sure how much I should say "in public" yet.
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18:41:12 <jah-mac> good point 
18:41:37 <jah-mac> D: apparently RDF and RSS may fall into the targets of a software patent issue
18:41:38 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:41:52 <jah-mac> D: this article provides background
18:41:52 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:43:22 <jah-mac> SCARY:
18:43:22 <dc_rdfig> Label SCARY not found.
18:43:23 <jah-mac> It is believed that the patent is being infringed
18:43:25 <jah-mac> It is believed that the patent is being infringed
18:43:34 <jah-mac> by the many companies building products based on an emerging metadata
18:43:48 <jah-mac> standard known as the Resource Description Framework (RDF)
18:43:52 <dajobe> D:[http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/10-27-99.html|more]
18:43:53 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:44:11 <jah-mac> D: It is believed that the patent is being infringed
18:44:11 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:44:20 <jah-mac> D: by the many companies building products based on an emerging metadata
18:44:21 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:44:31 <jah-mac> D: standard known as the Resource Description Framework (RDF)
18:44:31 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:44:58 <dajobe> the above link says UDTL is now in Vancouver, British Columbia
18:45:37 <mnot> *sigh*
18:45:56 <jah-mac> D: goes on to say that UDTL claims that RDF relies on technology covered by UDTL's
18:45:56 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:46:02 <jah-mac> D: patent"
18:46:02 <dc_rdfig> commented item D
18:46:09 <jah-mac> Even worse:
18:46:17 <jah-mac> In return for enforcing the patent, PEARL will receive 50% o
18:46:28 <mnot> well, it was filed Dec. 15 1994. Hopefully, there's a chance for prior art (not having seen the claims yet)
18:46:36 <jah-mac> of any revenues after legal costs.
18:46:39 <mnot> yeah, that's a real motivator for them
18:47:16 <jah-mac> depends a lot on the patent "endo-dynamic" sounds like a nasty term.
18:49:34 <mnot> * mnot looks at the claims
18:49:47 <dajobe> it's written in legal
18:49:53 <mnot> their primary claim seems to patent edge-labeled graphs...surely this should be easy to blow away?
18:50:04 <jeffbarr> I've got to run, but I will talk to the attorney tomorrow. Thanks all for the background info.
18:50:08 <mnot> 1. A method for dynamically organizing and processing data in a computer having a memory and a data storage device coupled thereto, the method comprising the steps of:
18:50:10 <mnot> (a) generating an information structure and relationship in the memory of the computer as one or more Endo-Dynamic Sets (EDS), the EDS comprising a list of one or more Endo-Dynamic Information Nodes (EDINs), the EDINs each representing an atomic component of data, and the EDINs each comprising a subject identifier, an attribute identifier, and a bond identifier, wherein the bond identifier defines a relationship between the subjec
18:50:11 <mnot> (b) associating each bond identifier of an EDIN with an organizational structure of data stored in the memory of the computer; and
18:50:13 <mnot> (c) traversing the organizational structure of data in the memory of the computer through the EDINs.
18:50:22 <jah-mac> jeffbarr - thanks much for bringing this to our attention.
18:52:00 <jah-mac> heck, I think we can claim the KLONE paper (197x) as prior art for this - depends on how tightly the EDS and EDIN things are bound - if too tight, we claim it doesn't count, if too loose they lose to prior art - but I suspect the threat of suits and courtcases and all is going to happen for a while...
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18:56:41 <mnot> probably. unfortunately, that's how these things go - fear and doubt for 3-5 years. :(
19:07:00 <jah-mac> just what I need as I push forward on my goal of convincing WOWG to fully embrace RDF - sigh
19:07:49 <dajobe> you've got your own patent policy thing to sort out
19:08:45 <jah-mac> could be - we're keeping our fingers crossed.
19:08:49 <jah-mac> on a lighter note:
19:09:11 <jah-mac> from Yahooo news:   "Dozens of e-mail messages telling Harvard University applicants whether they had been admitted never arrived last month after America Online interpreted the messages as junk e-mail."
19:09:58 <jah-mac> "	 ``Spam is our number one problem. But it's hard to say what would have caused the system to filter e-mail from Harvard,'' AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham said.  "
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20:06:16 <AaronSw-UK> uh oh - patents
20:06:23 <bijan> You can't say that.
20:06:30 <bijan> It's trademarked.
20:06:56 <bijan> "uh oh - patents"(tm) by the Anti-Patents League
20:06:57 <dajobe> does this work for people: http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US6092077&CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD
20:07:14 <bijan> The link does.
20:07:18 <bijan> For me.
20:07:33 <bijan> I don't know if Binary-oriented set sequencing does, not having implemented it :)
20:07:34 <dajobe> that's a World Wide Patent
20:08:10 <bijan> My eyes start pulsing halfway through the first sentence.
20:08:17 <dajobe> US5684985 seems to be US-only
20:08:23 <bijan> Patenting algorithms...sheesh.
20:08:44 <dajobe> nope; its a world wide one too
20:08:52 <dajobe> . http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=US5684985&CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD
20:10:33 <bijan> Er...is this held to infringe on RDF or something?
20:10:40 <dajobe> read the logs
20:10:42 <bijan> * bijan notes that it looks a *lot* like sexprs.
20:11:16 <bijan> * bijan boggles.
20:12:09 <bijan> This action has important implications for a major segment of the technology marketplace, and for the sanctity of patents in a rapidly evolving industry
20:12:18 <bijan> The *sanctity* of *patents*?
20:12:20 <bijan> !
20:13:04 <AaronSw-UK> lol, where's that from?
20:13:23 <bijan> The link dajobe posted.
20:17:48 <bijan> Hmm. Unified Data Tech, Ltd doesn't show up on google.
20:18:04 <dajobe> I've been looking
20:18:14 <bijan> Hmm. but the news is old, yes? March 10.
20:18:29 <dajobe> the patent itself gives an address 
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20:21:09 <dajobe> an address in Barbados
20:21:25 <bijan> Sure MCF antedates the Patent?
20:21:30 <bijan> Patent is 1997.
20:21:38 <dajobe> 1994
20:22:02 <bijan> Er...MCF? Or are you correcting my date on the patent?
20:22:29 <dajobe> 5,684,985 has a date of 15 Dec 1994
20:22:53 <dajobe> for the international one
20:22:53 <bijan> Ah.
20:23:18 <bijan> Ah.
20:23:23 <bijan> I think I'm looking at the us one:
20:23:24 <bijan> Patent Number: US5684985  
20:23:25 <bijan> Publication date: 1997-11-04   
20:23:46 <dajobe> click on the International patent link WO...
20:24:07 <bijan> Hmm.
20:24:25 <bijan> 11 dec 1995 for International? and 15 dec 1994 for us?
20:24:49 <bijan> binary-oriented set sequencing...what rubbish!
20:24:53 <dajobe> yes
20:25:02 <dajobe> but it's a software patent, so that's given
20:25:56 <bijan> Damn, but it sure looks like RDF, from what I read.
20:26:06 <bijan> Hardly *novel*, of course, but does that matter when the patent is there?
20:27:15 <jah-mac> the real question in my mind is how they defined these EDIN things - if loosely, all sorts of semantic net stuff would count, if tightly, may be too tight for RDF - problem, of course, is ugliness of the dicussion.
20:27:27 <AaronSw-UK> * AaronSw-UK contacts his patent-busting contacts
20:27:27 <bijan> Hidious.
20:27:37 <bijan> Makes the topic maps spec look clean.
20:28:00 <bijan> Makes xsb.com's copy look down to earth.
20:28:09 <jah-mac> shhh, don't mention topic macs or they'll go after them as well...
20:28:29 <dajobe> let them go after RDF in aol-time-warner-netscape's browser
20:28:51 <bijan> Hmm. But that'll just kill it,eh? Easier to drop the browser than defend it.
20:29:28 <jah-mac> or Adobe's new PDF, but the problem is those are exactly the targets lawyers want to go after - doesn't help to sue folks like us who aren't making money on the damned thing.
20:30:03 <AaronSw-UK> ouch, i'm sorry to hear jeffbarr was the first hit by this.
20:30:22 <jah-mac> only the first one we've heard so far
20:30:25 <dajobe> maybe adobe got one
20:31:08 <bijan> Still seems that MCF antedates it. Or should. All the public stuff is round '97, alas.
20:32:56 <jah-mac> no - I checkd -because we published SHOE around the same time MCF started - and first Shoe pub is in 96, even though we started work in 94 (similar to MCF) - problem is you need a citation with the date on it.
20:33:10 <bijan> Yeah, I was afraid of that.
20:33:11 <dajobe> does google groups count?
20:33:44 <AaronSw-UK> surely someone has implented DLGs on computers before '94
20:34:07 <dajobe> it might be more than that, but it's too impenetrable to see
20:34:16 <bijan> Hmm. Even if MCF itself doesn't do it there might be stuff in the work it draws on that's sufficent to kill it.
20:34:31 <bijan> Well, it seems to have 1) the subject/predicate/attribute structure
20:34:40 <bijan> 2) global ids.
20:34:59 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, guess my browser doesn't do Accept headers.  http://www.mnot.net/bookmarks/feed doesn't seem to work with it.
20:35:14 <bijan> 3) some notion that the relations are malleable
20:35:46 <bijan> That seems to make it distinct from DLGs per se.
20:35:58 <bijan> Still, it's hardly novel in any interesting sense.
20:37:08 <bijan> The "set sequencing" bit seems completely empty.
20:37:34 <jah-mac> the global IDs is tricky, but it can't mean global IDs on the web with a 94 date
20:38:07 <jah-mac> wonder if the KL-One family of things (or my own Parka work) wouldn't kill it - Parka has publications back into the early 90s, KLone back to the 70s
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20:39:10 <jah-mac> of course, being right doesn't count for much in the software patent world - you still have to fight in court and spend lots of money even to win - sigh.
20:44:10 <bijan> Yes. Good thing (or bad, I suppose) I'm not a patent judge.
20:44:25 <bijan> I have some *reeeeeeeally* innovate penalties for patent scammers.
20:45:59 <jah-mac> the worst part is that as far as I can tell, this company acquired this patent just so they could try to make money off of suing people - they've done same with a bunch of other things (a blow drier part, a bunch of toys) according to web
20:46:20 <bijan> PEARL? you mean?
20:46:23 <dajobe> yup
20:46:24 <bijan> That's their point.
20:46:27 <bijan> Pigs.
20:49:43 <dajobe> 6092077 describes a computer program; it has command lines, operators, isntructions; RDF has none of that
20:50:00 <bijan> I was wondering if the data format bit would come in.
20:50:18 <bijan> But that doesn't matter if you have an RDF processor.
20:50:55 <bijan> I was also wondering whether internally implementing RDF statments as quads (e.g., adding context) would subvert the patent.
20:51:05 <dajobe> or making RDF a Bag not a Set
20:51:14 <bijan> Indeed.
20:51:45 <dajobe> claim 1, which you quoted includes executable code mentioned attached to bond identifiers
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20:52:03 <dajobe> and this code si executed as actions when the nodes are accessed
20:52:16 <dajobe> RDF has no processing model; ergo, this doesn't happen either and claim 1 falls
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20:54:41 <dajobe> so in summary, ignore US6092077 - it ain't rdf
20:58:31 <dajobe> but isn't it Tuples, Linda?
20:58:44 <jah-mac> dajobe - wouldn't it be nice if life was so easy
20:58:53 <jah-mac> patents don't work that way...
21:00:30 <jah-mac> thanks - selfupdate didn't work - didn't like me for cvs for some reason.
21:01:35 <AaronSw-UK> hmm
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21:20:39 <AaronSw-UK> jeffbarr, when you come back, I've some patent advice for you and a friend who's offered his help.
21:44:24 <jah-mac> yeah, will try that.
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22:08:00 <jeffbarr> Hi Aaron -- some advice sounds great. What does your friend say?
22:21:44 <mnot> aaronsw: was that IE5.1 on mac?
22:28:02 <mnot> "...[RDF] was issued recently by the World Wide Web _Organization_"; ah, not to worry; it's not *our* RDF they're talking about!
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23:37:17 <AaronSw-UK> jeffbarr, you still around?
23:37:23 <AaronSw-UK> mnot, it was
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23:41:10 <AaronSw-UK> jeffbarr, the first question was how the letter was drafted.
23:41:59 <AaronSw-UK> if they're not particularly agressive, the advice was to send them a letter that you would consider what they said and get back to them later.
23:42:07 <AaronSw-UK> what were the licensing terms?
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