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00:12:05 <JosD> http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/owl-rules
00:12:06 <dc_rdfig> A: http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/owl-rules from JosD
00:13:05 <JosD> A:|some negation stuff (at the end of file)
00:13:05 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.
00:15:43 <JosD> A:transcribed from [Prolog clause for owl:complementOf by dmiles|http://12-212-75-114.client.attbi.com/root/opt/sourceforge/logicmoo/openmodality/iso-prolog/complementOf.pl.txt]
00:15:43 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A1.
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00:21:48 <JosD_> A:using N3 and some pretty useful stuff can be done in such negation# namespace
00:21:48 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A2.
00:22:34 <JosD_> A: though our engine blows up at uncommented :rule60n6...
00:22:35 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A3.
00:23:43 <JosD_> many thanks to dmiles
00:23:49 <JosD_> A:many thanks to dmiles
00:23:49 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A4.
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00:50:03 <dmiles> ah got the webserver back on
00:50:11 <dmiles> i found a way to make it two modules
00:50:25 <dmiles> yeah just knowing it's ok tio have a negation space is pretty usefull
00:50:39 <dmiles> the "ok" part ;P
00:51:35 <dmiles> the end result of having both spaces is tricky.. because you can ask the same query ion both spaces: so you can get up to 4 premutations of success
00:52:09 <dmiles> like Pos=true,Pos=fail,Neg=true,Neg=fail,
00:52:33 <dmiles> so a truth table coms up +pos +neg = inconsistent
00:52:44 <dmiles> so a truth table coms up +pos -neg = positively consistent
00:53:01 <dmiles> so a truth table coms up -pos +neg = positively untrue
00:53:27 <dmiles> -pos -neg = unknown
01:19:16 <dmiles> is there a known file type for ? http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/owl-rules
01:19:39 <dmiles> like trying to give the parser of that file a name
01:20:27 <dmiles> looks like every non commented lines is thre segents long
01:21:44 <dmiles> ok that *is* n3
01:22:26 <dmiles> so i am guesing to read into prolog via: T(a,b,c)
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07:14:50 <dmiles> is bijan reading N3 from prolog?
07:15:13 <dmiles> * dmiles doesnt want to redo anything
07:16:00 <dmiles> what "reader" would read http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/owl-rules ?
07:16:07 <dmiles> N3 Reader or OWL reader?
07:16:34 <dmiles> subject property object <nl>
07:16:35 <dmiles> subject property object <nl>
07:16:36 <dmiles> subject property object <nl>
07:16:39 <dmiles> format
07:16:51 <dmiles> with # as comments
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13:00:08 <aharth> hi
13:01:02 <aharth> ehm, question again: in rdf, i can easily model "actor applies_for job", right?
13:01:56 <aharth> is it possible to model "actor applies_for job with document"? is reification involved in this statement?
13:03:30 <aharth> i suppose that anonymous nodes can be used to solve this, but i have absolutely no clue how this would look like in rdf
13:12:55 <DanC> 'actor applies_for job' is perfectly straightforward RDF.
13:13:50 <DanC> in fact, put this: [[
13:13:52 <DanC> @prefix : <http://example/vocab#>.
13:13:52 <DanC>    :actor :applies_for :job.
13:13:53 <DanC> ]]
13:14:00 <DanC> into the form at http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3
13:14:05 <DanC> and see what you get back.
13:16:58 <DanC> * DanC recommends 'Primer: Getting into RDF & Semantic Web using N3' http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer.html and wanders off.
13:17:39 <aharth> danc: thanks. this is where i already am. the difficult thing would be to add the "with document" to the statement.
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16:14:58 <DanC> when i get a node from an xpath query,
16:15:06 <DanC> how do I get the text from the node?
16:15:13 <DanC> if it's, say, an <a> element
16:15:31 <DanC> * DanC working on hipAgent
16:15:39 <DanC> * DanC reads http://xmlsoft.org/python.html
16:17:49 <DanC> "content : returns the content of the node, it is based on xmlNodeGetContent() and hence is recursive."
16:18:38 <DanC> woohoo! working.
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16:24:23 <DanC> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/hipAgent.py
16:24:24 <dc_rdfig> B: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/hipAgent.py from DanC
16:24:52 <DanC> B:|hipAgent.py -- toward RDF support for danger/t-mobile sidekick/hiptop devices
16:24:53 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.
16:25:21 <DanC> B:v 1.5 2003/03/03 16:23:44 got one test for aboutDay working.
16:25:21 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.
16:27:30 <DanC> A:owl:incompatibleWith can't be in the owl: namespace. seems to belong in this namespace: @prefix : <owl-rules#>.
16:27:30 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A5.
16:28:48 <DanC> A:I kinda like they way N3 allows you to *not* make up names...
16:28:48 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A6.
16:29:01 <DanC> A:e.g. instead of { :rule1i1. ?p owl:inverseOf ?q. ?s ?p ?o } log:implies { ?o ?q ?s }.
16:29:01 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A7.
16:29:49 <DanC> A:consider: { :rule1i1. ?S [ owl:inverseOf ?O] ?O } log:implies { ?O ?P ?S }. # I like ALL_CAPS_VARS too
16:29:49 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A8.
16:30:08 <DanC> A8:consider: { :rule1i1. ?S [ owl:inverseOf ?P] ?O } log:implies { ?O ?P ?S }. # I like ALL_CAPS_VARS too
16:30:09 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment A8.
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18:31:05 <libby> hey alex!
18:31:10 <alexb> hello
18:31:43 <libby> how you doing? 
18:33:49 <libby> bah: Sorry, this software requires python2.2 or newer.
18:34:05 <libby> * libby trying to get calendar schema thing workoing
18:35:21 <libby> bah: Python 2.2 (#1, 07/14/02, 23:25:09) 
18:35:21 <libby> [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] on darwin
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19:03:46 <libby> any cwm people about? or maybe it's just a python thing....:
19:03:49 <libby>   File "../../../2000/10/swap/sax2rdf.py", line 47, in ?
19:03:49 <libby>     import xml.sax # PyXML stuff
19:03:50 <libby> ImportError: No module named xml.sax
19:04:19 <deltab> what version of python?
19:04:34 <libby> 2.2
19:04:47 <libby> I'm totally new to it really
19:05:58 <libby> sys.path maybe wrong?
19:07:33 <libby> I think it's because my symlinks are funn y
19:12:47 <libby> ...or maybe not
19:13:04 <AaronSw-SF> sounds like you need to download PyXML
19:13:18 <eikeon> I think on some systems the xml support comes in python-dev package.
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19:18:20 <libby> thanks
19:18:42 <libby> I apt-got install  python2.2-xmlbase
19:18:45 <libby> and it worked
19:19:02 <libby> ! :)
19:19:24 <eikeon> Thanks for the feedback... that will help for next time it comes up... or until I get OSX ;)
19:20:01 <libby> btw, does anyone have cwm workign on mac os x?
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19:21:17 <libby> python ../../../2000/10/swap/cwm.py --rdf test/mtg.rdf test/cal01.rdf
19:21:17 <libby> test/gkexample.rdf --filter=../../../2000/10/swap/util/sniffSchema.n3
19:21:17 <libby> --n3 >ical.n3
19:21:17 <libby> Traceback (most recent call last):
19:21:17 <libby>   File "../../../2000/10/swap/cwm.py", line 35, in ?
19:21:18 <libby>     from why import FormulaReason
19:21:20 <libby>   File "../../../2000/10/swap/why.py", line 25, in ?
19:21:22 <libby>     from thing   import Namespace
19:21:24 <libby>   File "../../../2000/10/swap/thing.py", line 130, in ?
19:21:26 <libby>     raise RuntimeError("Sorry, this software requires python2.2 or newer.")
19:21:28 <libby> RuntimeError: S
19:21:30 <libby> orry, this software requires python2.2 or newer.
19:21:32 <libby> make: *** [ical.n3] Error 1
19:21:34 <libby> buuuut:
19:21:40 <libby> I do have 2.2!
19:21:43 <libby> Python 2.2 (#1, 07/14/02, 23:25:09)
19:21:43 <libby> [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] on darwin
19:21:43 <libby> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
19:21:44 <libby> >>> import string, sys
19:21:46 <libby> >>> version = string.split(string.split(sys.version)[0], ".")
19:21:48 <libby> >>> map(int, version) < [2, 2, 0]
19:21:50 <libby> 1
19:21:52 <libby> >>> map(int, version)
19:21:54 <libby> [2, 2]
19:21:56 <libby> bah
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19:28:46 <sbp`> ugh
19:28:57 <sbp`> it should use sys.version_info[:3]
19:29:29 <sbp`> and the string module is deprecated (use the split method of strings)
19:29:49 <libby> * libby afraid she dont know nuffink about all this....
19:29:57 <sbp`> libby: gonna fire of an email to www-archive+n3bugs?
19:30:11 <libby> if that's the best thing to do, sure....
19:31:08 <libby> cheers sbp
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19:31:15 <sbp`> CCing TimBL/DanC I think, else they don't pick it up
19:31:18 <sbp`> and you're welcome
19:31:22 <libby> k
19:31:27 <libby> how you doing?
19:31:39 <sbp`> not too bad, thanks. rushed off my feet as usual
19:32:00 <sbp`> and you?
19:32:16 <libby> ok ta
19:33:46 <libby> bah, I dont even know how to add modules on mac os x for python
19:34:31 <deltab> put them in site-packages
19:34:40 <libby> yeah?
19:34:45 <libby> thanks deltab
19:34:54 <libby> i'll give it a go in a bit
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19:39:57 <raelity> morbus!
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20:10:32 <eikeon> danb_usa: welcome :)
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20:27:08 <shellac> http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/FoafFinger-20030303.jar
20:27:08 <dc_rdfig> C: http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/FoafFinger-20030303.jar from shellac
20:27:36 <shellac> C|FOAF Finger
20:27:41 <shellac> C:|FOAF Finger
20:27:42 <dc_rdfig> Titled item C.
20:27:46 <shellac> (doh)
20:28:00 <libby> :)
20:28:07 <libby> tell us more!
20:28:16 <shellac> C:RDF and Rendezvous - together at last
20:28:16 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C1.
20:28:32 <shellac> C:_very_ preliminary release
20:28:32 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C2.
20:28:54 <libby> sample session:
20:28:58 <libby> sh-2.05a$ java -jar FoafFinger-20030303.jar "libby miller" libby@bris.ac.uk http://bla.com 
20:28:58 <libby> Binding to: dhcp64-134-139-69.wslc.den.wayport.net/64.134.139.69
20:28:59 <libby> httpServer running on port 7645
20:28:59 <libby> You are: 
20:28:59 <libby> Name: libby miller
20:28:59 <libby> Hash Mbox: b76f20be041a3dd02fcd40f7db85caf7e9884d54
20:29:02 <libby> Mbox: libby@bris.ac.uk
20:29:03 <libby> Homepage: http://bla.com
20:29:05 <libby> > find
20:29:07 <libby> [1] Dan Brickley http://www.w3.org/people/danbri/ null
20:29:09 <libby> [2] libby miller http://bla.com null
20:29:12 <libby> > show 1
20:29:13 <libby> Name: libby miller
20:29:15 <libby> Hash Mbox: b76f20be041a3dd02fcd40f7db85caf7e9884d54
20:29:17 <libby> Mbox: libby@bris.ac.uk
20:29:19 <libby> Homepage: http://bla.com
20:29:22 <libby> > dump
20:29:23 <libby> <?xml version="1.0"?>
20:29:25 <libby> <rdf:RDF xmlns="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/"
20:29:31 <libby>          xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
20:29:31 <libby> >
20:29:32 <libby> <Person>
20:29:33 <libby>     <name>libby miller</name>
20:29:35 <libby>     <mbox_sha1sum>b76f20be041a3dd02fcd40f7db85caf7e9884d54</mbox_sha1sum>
20:29:39 <libby>     <mbox rdf:resource="libby@bris.ac.uk"/>
20:29:41 <libby>     <homepage rdf:resource="http://bla.com"/>
20:29:41 <libby> </Person>
20:29:44 <libby> </rdf:RDF>
20:30:09 <shellac> C:Usage: java -jar FoafFinger-20030303.jar <name> <mailbox> <homepage> [<port> [<interest> [<plan>]]]
20:30:09 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C3.
20:30:43 <shellac> C:Then try 'find' to find other people on the subnet
20:30:44 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C4.
20:30:48 <libby> C:[sample session|http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-03-03.txt] at 20.28
20:30:49 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C5.
20:31:12 <shellac> C:'show <number>' - show more info about that person
20:31:13 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C6.
20:31:38 <shellac> C:'I know <number' - indicate you know that person
20:31:38 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C7.
20:32:11 <shellac> C:'dump' dump out info about you in rdf
20:32:12 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C8.
20:33:09 <libby> future features?
20:33:19 <libby> can we see teh source too?
20:33:21 <shellac> C:A tiny tool which (I hope) is useful
20:33:22 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C9.
20:33:33 <shellac> not until I tidy it up
20:33:38 <shellac> maybe tomorrow
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21:17:44 <libby> http://esw.w3.org/t/view/ESW/RdfCalendarSchema
21:17:45 <dc_rdfig> D: http://esw.w3.org/t/view/ESW/RdfCalendarSchema from libby
21:18:23 <libby> D:|Notes on generating the RDF calendar schema using CWM
21:18:23 <dc_rdfig> Titled item D.
21:19:00 <libby> D:[as per last meeting's action|http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/02/26/2003-02-26.html#1046281084.080137]
21:19:01 <dc_rdfig> Added comment D1.
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23:05:50 <DanC_jam> * DanC_jam waves from BOS
23:05:52 <DanC_jam> .google is this thing on?
23:05:54 <datum> is this thing on?: http://www.thing.net/
23:06:36 <mortenf> hi, how's the weather there?
23:07:12 <DanC_jam> kinda cold... I haven't been outside for more than a minute or so.
23:07:51 <mortenf> that does sound cold...
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23:29:13 <DanC_jam> hi libby; zat you or just your machine?
23:29:23 <DanC_jam> do you know if danbri is sms-capable in the u.s.?
23:29:35 <libby> its libby :)
23:29:47 <libby> I think so - he just got a new number. hang on a sec
23:33:07 <DanC_jam> nifty, btw... http://esw.w3.org/t/view/ESW/RdfCalendarSchema
23:33:22 <libby> :)
23:33:49 <libby> mind you, I havn;t checked that it came up with the right thing....it came up with somethign tho
23:36:25 <DanC_jam> hmm... broken link to http://esw.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/
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23:52:58 <JosD_> A: DanC, I've found owl:incompatibleWith in [Web Ontology Language (OWL) Reference Version 1.0|http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#incompatibleWith-def]
23:52:58 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A9.
23:56:27 <JosD_> A: point taken for ALL_CAPS_VARS
23:56:27 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A10.