Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2003-03-28

00:08:32 <deltab> any questions about bittorrent I can answer?

00:15:01 <danbri> Q:It's perhaps more English than European, but funny anyways :)

00:15:02 <dc_rdfig> Added comment Q3.

00:15:22 <danbri> Q2:we're also wondering about a map of semantic web researchers in Europe.

00:15:23 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment Q2.

00:15:44 <bitsko> deltab: re BT, only if you can tell us when they'll be making it more dynamic ;)

00:16:39 <deltab> dynamic?

00:17:56 <bitsko> BT (more the tool than the protocol, afaict) appears to favor static files and directories

00:18:40 <bitsko> an Apache mod_torrent would be nice, for example

00:18:47 <deltab> yes, since hose can easily be shared

00:20:18 <bitsko> DanC and I were talking about SourceForge a short while back. altho SF downloads themselves are fairly static, the current BT implementation wouldn't be good for SF

00:20:34 <bitsko> because as a whole, SF is very dynamic

00:24:02 <bitsko> BitTorrent would also appear to be a good solution for the growing aggregation problem, where N clients are hitting a site's server M times an hour or day. instead, the site could run a tracker and peers could carry a lot of traffic

00:24:39 <bitsko> bitsko is now known as bitsko|away

00:30:54 <deltab> hmm, not sure how that would work

00:38:34 <danbri> a lot of news sites are overloaded this week, maybe they'd be a timely audience?

00:44:53 <danbri>http://phoebus.cs.man.ac.uk:9999/OWL/Validator?url=http%3A%2F%2Fxmlns.com%2Ffoaf%2F0.1%2Findex.rdf&level=Full&abstract=yes

00:44:54 <dc_rdfig> A: http://phoebus.cs.man.ac.uk:9999/OWL/Validator?url=http%3A%2F%2Fxmlns.com%2Ffoaf%2F0.1%2Findex.rdf&level=Full&abstract=yes from danbri

00:45:01 <danbri> A:|FOAF is OWL Full!

00:45:02 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

00:46:14 <danbri> A:Not DL or Lite though

00:46:14 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A1.

00:47:52 <danbri> A:Hmm it seems to guess ObjectProperty and DataProperty from triples in the schema, eg. for some reason concludes ObjectProperty(rdfs:seeAlso) without imho any obvious justification.

00:47:52 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A2.

00:56:59 <jeremiah> anyone know of an RDF schema for filesystem data?

01:09:36 <AaronSw> AaronSw is now known as AaronSw-JP

01:14:21 <danbri> ' The value of rdf:ID must match the XML Name production, (as modified by XML Namespaces). '

01:14:32 <danbri> ...anyone have a regex corresponding to this constraint?

01:14:38 <danbri> (for RDF/XML syntax)

01:14:44 <danbri> hi Aaron!

01:16:50 <danbri> will this do? /^[A-Za-z_:][\w\.\-:]*$/

01:17:55 <AaronSw-JP> hi

01:37:13 <eikeon> danbri: depends if you want to handle unicode... here is what rdflib uses: http://rdflib.net/cvs/rdflib/rdflib/syntax/xml_names.py?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

01:52:10 <danbri> eikeon, thanks... filed away for future reference

01:52:32 <danbri> I removed the : chars, as was using this to check values of rdf:ID, rdf:nodeID etc

01:53:38 <danbri> hm http://www.w3.org/2001/12/rubyrdf/pack/tests/ts_rdftests-out.txt is down to 23 failures. Was thirty-something earlier...

03:08:58 <DanC> jeremiah, ... RDF schema for filesystem data ... Brian McBride demo'd one in Cambridge; TimBL was working on something similar.

03:09:51 <DanC> see http://www.w3.org/2003/03/07-swarch-irc#T16-43-58

03:11:41 <jeremiah> DanC: thanks

03:13:26 * DanC adds a pointer to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFApplicationsAndProjects

03:17:24 <DanC> hmm... RDFApplicationsAndProjects is a mouthful... CategorySchema ... CategoryVocabulary

03:17:44 <DanC> hm... ClassSchema

03:17:55 <DanC> hmm... TypeSchema

03:26:26 <jeremiah> I think RDFApplicationsAndProjects explains what it is pretty nicely

03:27:08 <DanC> I wonder if/when FileSystemSchema deserves its own node

03:32:35 <jeremiah> has Brian McBride published his stuff?

03:32:54 <jeremiah> i can't find anything

03:33:29 <DanC> umm...

03:33:59 <DanC> hmm... no; at least: he didn't give pointers during the meeting.

03:34:25 <jeremiah> ok

03:35:43 * jeremiah < afk

03:43:03 <bitsko|away> bitsko|away is now known as bitsko

03:43:52 <bitsko> quick q: is anyone using XSLT to style RDF? like a FOAF-box or RSS-box, for example

03:47:39 <bitsko> seen randomly: "Actually, I've gotten a lot more consensus built (e.g. at work) around RDF-as-graph-structure vs. RDF-as-how-to-describe-what-we-know."

03:48:07 <bitsko> BLURB:Is anyone using XSLT to style RDF?

03:48:08 <dc_rdfig> B: Is anyone using XSLT to style RDF? from bitsko

03:48:35 <bitsko> B:like a FOAF-box or RSS-box, for example.

03:48:35 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.

03:49:24 <bitsko> B:append answers to chump item B:, thx!

03:49:24 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B2.

03:49:36 <bitsko> bitsko is now known as bitsko|away

03:50:17 <DanC> B:like [http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/meetings/tech-200303/#sw-sql|this formatted participants list]?

03:50:17 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B3.

03:50:55 <DanC> B:I think we've got some RDF schemas styled with XSLT too... RyanLee?

03:50:56 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B4.

03:51:58 <DanC> B:hmm... another for [http://esw.w3.org/topic/FaqIdeas|FaqIdeas]?

03:51:58 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B5.

04:54:22 <DanC>http://www.w3.org/2003/03/semantic-tour

04:54:22 <dc_rdfig> C: http://www.w3.org/2003/03/semantic-tour from DanC

04:54:29 <DanC> C:|W3C Semantic Tour

04:54:29 <dc_rdfig> Titled item C.

04:54:34 <DanC> C:10 - 24 June 2003

04:54:34 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C1.

04:54:42 <DanC> C:Roma, London, Munich, Athens and Brussels

04:54:42 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C2.

04:54:47 <DanC> C:hmm... news to me.

04:54:47 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C3.

08:50:54 <arnarl> hi

08:51:22 <golbeck> golbeck is now known as golbeck_zzz

08:58:54 <tav> tav is now known as tav|offline

10:11:58 <grault> grault is now known as earle

10:42:37 <danbri>http://jibbering.com/rdf-parser/

10:42:38 <dc_rdfig> D: http://jibbering.com/rdf-parser/ from danbri

10:42:55 <danbri> D:|Simple javascript RDF Parser and query thingy, by Jim Ley

10:42:55 <dc_rdfig> Titled item D.

10:43:27 <danbri>http://www.jibbering.com/2002/8/foaf-people-map.svg

10:43:27 <dc_rdfig> E: http://www.jibbering.com/2002/8/foaf-people-map.svg from danbri

10:43:38 <danbri> D:|FOAF People Map in SVG, by Jim Ley

10:43:38 <dc_rdfig> Titled item D.

10:44:05 <JibberJim> no, that's E - can you also change it to http://jibbering.com/foaf/foaf-people-map.svg as the other is no longer maintained.

10:44:25 <danbri> E:Code is [http://rdfweb.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/foafnaut.org/htdocs/foaf/|in CVS] on [http://www.foafnaut.org/|foafnaut.org]

10:44:25 <dc_rdfig> Added comment E1.

10:44:29 <danbri> willdo

10:44:33 <danbri> D:|Simple javascript RDF Parser and query thingy, by Jim Ley

10:44:34 <dc_rdfig> Titled item D.

10:44:50 <danbri> E:|FOAF People Map in SVG, by Jim Ley (wrong url, see comments)

10:44:50 <dc_rdfig> Titled item E.

10:45:22 <danbri> E:See [http://jibbering.com/foaf/foaf-people-map.svg|more recent version], sorry for posting stale url.

10:45:23 <dc_rdfig> Added comment E2.

10:45:25 <danbri> that ok?

10:45:38 <JibberJim> sure.

10:45:56 <JibberJim> E: They are actually identical currently...

10:45:57 <dc_rdfig> Added comment E3.

10:46:12 <libby> you can chage the url by doing E:=

10:46:14 <libby> I think

10:46:21 <danbri> ah

10:46:25 <danbri> feel free to try

10:46:36 <libby> E:=http://jibbering.com/foaf/foaf-people-map.svg

10:46:37 <dc_rdfig> Replaced URL of E.

10:46:40 <libby> ha!

10:46:52 <libby> so now we can lose E2....

10:46:58 <libby> E2:""

10:46:58 <dc_rdfig> Deleted comment E2.

10:47:03 <danbri> E2:This is great, but I now want to figure out how to run it server side...

10:47:03 <libby> that ok?

10:47:03 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment E2.

10:47:08 <danbri> ta

10:48:24 <JibberJim> E: but it's much more interesting on the client, as it demonstrates how parsing some RDF on the client, can then make the client go and request other relevant RDF docs for more information.

10:48:24 <dc_rdfig> Added comment E3.

10:51:15 <arnarl> arnarl is now known as arnarl|away

10:54:36 <earle> earle is now known as grault

14:35:53 <hugo_> hugo_ is now known as hugo

14:48:32 <danbri>http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#GeographicCoordinates

14:48:34 <dc_rdfig> F: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#GeographicCoordinates from danbri

14:48:46 <danbri> F:|7.12 Geographic Coordinate Systems, SVG 1.1 spec

14:48:47 <dc_rdfig> Titled item F.

14:48:54 <danbri> F:"In order to allow interoperability between SVG content generators and user agents dealing with maps encoded in SVG, SVG encourages the use of a common metadata definition for describing the coordinate system used to generate SVG documents."

14:48:54 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F1.

14:49:04 <danbri> F:"Such metadata should be added under the 'metadata' element of the topmost 'svg' element describing the map. They consist of an RDF description of the Coordinate Reference System definition used to generate the SVG map."

14:49:04 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F2.

14:49:50 <danbri> F:I hadn't noticed this before. Very interesting. Anyone studied it in detail?

14:49:50 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F3.

14:49:51 <danbri> F:

14:49:51 <dc_rdfig>http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#GeographicCoordinates

14:49:52 <dc_rdfig> 7.12 Geographic Coordinate Systems, SVG 1.1 spec

14:49:53 <dc_rdfig> (1:danbri) "In order to allow interoperability between SVG content generators and user agents dealing with maps encoded in SVG, SVG encourages the use of a common metadata definition for describing the coordinate system used to generate SVG documents."

14:49:54 <dc_rdfig> (2:danbri) "Such metadata should be added under the 'metadata' element of the topmost 'svg' element describing the map. They consist of an RDF description of the Coordinate Reference System definition used to generate the SVG map."

14:49:55 <dc_rdfig> (3:danbri) I hadn't noticed this before. Very interesting. Anyone studied it in detail?

14:50:55 <DanC> danbri, pls notify SemWeb CG about that, ok?

14:51:54 <DanC> hmm... ScheduledTopicChat on geo? mix it in with RdfCalendar?

14:52:38 <DanC> it's sorta the obvious benefit of using RDF for calendar info: you can mix in data about places (and people and documents and ...).

14:53:04 <DanC> e.g. my travel foafwho/travelschedule/itinerary stuff

14:53:37 <danbri> sw cg: done

14:53:49 * DanC scribbles in the wiki...

14:54:52 <danbri> chat on geo, makes sense to me

14:55:01 <danbri> there's growing interesting in rdf and mapping, from what i've seen

14:55:15 <danbri> jo walsh (zool) has been introducing lots of interesting folks to each other, too

14:55:43 <nmg> indeed

14:56:24 <DanC> logger, pointer?

14:57:00 <DanC> logger_1, pointer?

14:57:00 <DanC> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-03-28#T14-57-00

14:57:34 * DanC wonders how to make an <a name="agendaRequests">...</a> in MoinMoin

15:02:29 <bitsko|away> DanC: [[Anchor(agendaRequests)]], iirc

15:02:48 <bitsko|away> it's a "point" anchor, not a "span" anchor

15:03:58 <bitsko|away> confirmed via HelpContents:HelpOnMacros

15:04:19 <DanC> indeed...

15:04:31 <bitsko|away> bitsko|away is now known as bitsko

15:04:41 <DanC> F:added to [http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfCalendar#agendaRequests wiki list of RDF calendar agenda requests]

15:04:41 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F4.

15:40:42 <DanC> BLURB: WishList++: backlink bookmarklet

15:40:43 <dc_rdfig> G: WishList++: backlink bookmarklet from DanC

15:40:54 <DanC> G:surely somebody's done this, yes?

15:40:54 <dc_rdfig> Added comment G1.

15:41:08 <DanC> B:based on google's backlink service, for example

15:41:08 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B6.

15:41:18 <DanC> .google backlink bookmarklet

15:41:19 <datum> backlink bookmarklet: http://www.rjsjr.org/articles/bmbacklinks/

16:15:40 <danbri>http://www.iajapan.org/hotline/2003mobilepro-en.html

16:15:41 <dc_rdfig> H: http://www.iajapan.org/hotline/2003mobilepro-en.html from danbri

16:15:46 <danbri> H:|Programme for the Children, Mobile Phones and the Internet Experts' Meeting

16:15:46 <danbri> at the Mitsubishi Research Institute, Tokyo, March 2003

16:15:46 <dc_rdfig> Titled item H.

16:16:02 <danbri> H:cf esw:ContentSelection4SemanticWeb

16:16:03 <dc_rdfig> Added comment H1.

16:20:01 <bitsko> F:Revision notes for Geography Markup Language ([http://opengis.org/techno/implementation.htm|GML]) 2.0 indicate "purged RDF remnants". GML is now at 3.0. Only [GML 1.0|http://www.opengis.org/techno/specs/00-029/GML.html] had an RDF profile.

16:20:01 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F5.

16:25:25 <danbri> F:

16:25:25 <dc_rdfig>http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#GeographicCoordinates

16:25:26 <dc_rdfig> 7.12 Geographic Coordinate Systems, SVG 1.1 spec

16:25:28 <dc_rdfig> (1:danbri) "In order to allow interoperability between SVG content generators and user agents dealing with maps encoded in SVG, SVG encourages the use of a common metadata definition for describing the coordinate system used to generate SVG documents."

16:25:28 <dc_rdfig> (2:danbri) "Such metadata should be added under the 'metadata' element of the topmost 'svg' element describing the map. They consist of an RDF description of the Coordinate Reference System definition used to generate the SVG map."

16:25:29 <dc_rdfig> (3:danbri) I hadn't noticed this before. Very interesting. Anyone studied it in detail?

16:25:30 <dc_rdfig> (4:DanC) added to [http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfCalendar#agendaRequests wiki list of RDF calendar agenda requests]

16:25:32 <dc_rdfig> (5:bitsko) Revision notes for Geography Markup Language ([http://opengis.org/techno/implementation.htm|GML]) 2.0 indicate "purged RDF remnants". GML is now at 3.0. Only [GML 1.0|http://www.opengis.org/techno/specs/00-029/GML.html] had an RDF profile.

17:03:39 <jordan>http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/24/XMLisOK

17:03:40 <dc_rdfig> I: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/24/XMLisOK from jordan

17:03:46 <jordan> I:|Why XML Doesn't Suck

17:03:46 <dc_rdfig> Titled item I.

17:08:14 <danbri> F:I also have some [http://esw.w3.org/topic/GeoInfo|Geo notes] in the Wiki, and [http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/|on the sketchy geo vocab workspace] I started in January.

17:08:14 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F6.

17:10:28 <danbri> F:Also related to the [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-calendar/2003Mar/0014.html|'opening hours'] rdf cal use case discussions and the [http://esw.w3.org/topic/EventDiscovery|EventDiscovery] use case. Finding opening hours is one thing, finding relevantly local open businesses is another...

17:10:28 <dc_rdfig> Added comment F7.

17:13:11 * danbri drops a backpointer in http://esw.w3.org/topic/EventDiscovery

17:35:53 <danbri>http://esw.w3.org/topic/OpeningHoursUseCase

17:35:53 <dc_rdfig> J: http://esw.w3.org/topic/OpeningHoursUseCase from danbri

17:36:27 <danbri> J:|esw.OpenHoursUseCase, linked from esw.RdfCalendar

17:36:27 <dc_rdfig> Titled item J.

17:36:35 <danbri> J:"We should be able to use the (Semantic) Web to find out when businesses are open for business."

17:36:35 <dc_rdfig> Added comment J1.

17:37:26 <danbri> J:First cut at summarising from email threads. I like the idea of using Wiki for this, but have a practical hurdle: how to quote XML markup examples?

17:37:27 <dc_rdfig> Added comment J2.

17:37:35 <danbri> J:RTFM time...

17:37:35 <dc_rdfig> Added comment J3.

17:53:13 <DanC> J: {{{ <xml-markup-here/> }}}

17:53:14 <dc_rdfig> Added comment J4.

17:54:14 <DanC> J4: {{{ <xml-markup-here/> }}} , with apologise for neglecting to CheckSpecAndCite

17:54:14 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment J4.

17:54:27 <DanC> J4: {{{ <xml-markup-here/> }}} , with apology for neglecting to CheckSpecAndCite

17:54:27 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment J4.

17:55:09 <danbri> I wonder about including the full thing inline... yeah, why not... no shame in verbosity

17:55:17 <danbri> can always break it out later, cheap

17:57:12 * danbri edits

17:57:55 <bitsko> Moin does have some techniques for using non-wiki-markup pages, incl. specifically XML and Python scripts

17:58:24 <danbri> is {{{ just generic escaping?

17:59:10 <libby> can anyone tell me whether there's a seealso type thing for pointing at html?

17:59:17 <bitsko> any wiki page can have a #format FORMAT pragma to indicate its format, and XML is recognized by its leading <!xml> declaration

17:59:48 <bitsko> {{{ == <tt>, in inline, and {{{ == <pre>, in blocks

18:00:02 <bitsko> "seealso"?

18:00:29 <bitsko> notably, {{{ is also only closed by }}}, everything within is literal

18:01:31 <libby> as I understand it, seealso is best used to point to RDF only

18:03:12 <danbri> yes, best for things that have an RDF payload somehow

18:03:24 <danbri> dc:source?

18:04:25 <libby> no, it' not source, but more information in html...

18:08:16 * danbri saves http://esw.w3.org/topic/OpeningHoursUseCase

18:08:31 <danbri> ...with XML example. Pretty rough, i got muddled about which example

18:08:59 <danbri> whether to stick with the restaurant in Boston, or do a local shop from Bristol, for which i can get photo, gps'd location etc more easily

18:12:04 * danbri adds wishlist to http://esw.w3.org/topic/OpeningHoursUseCase

18:12:07 <danbri> ...and gives up for now

19:21:13 <danbri>http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/26/patterns.html

19:21:14 <dc_rdfig> K: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/26/patterns.html from danbri

19:21:35 <danbri> K:|Architectural Design Patterns for XML Documents, by Kyle Downey (xml.com, March 26, 2003)

19:21:35 <dc_rdfig> Titled item K.

19:22:00 <danbri> K:"XML has been used enough now that some high-level patterns are starting to emerge. Some patterns revolve around the low-level details of good schema design, like those put together by Dare Obasanjo in "W3C XML Schema Design Patterns"; but when you have a blank sheet of paper in front of you and you're ready to start designing your new XML format, you want patterns to guide you at a higher level. "

19:22:00 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K1.

19:22:08 <danbri> K:"This article attempts to document a few whole-document design patterns that have proven themselves in the field."

19:22:08 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K2.

19:22:15 <deltab> K:|XML.com: Architectural Design Patterns for XML Documents [Mar. 26, 2003]

19:22:15 <dc_rdfig> Titled item K.

19:23:00 <danbri> K:I've only skmmed this for now, looks interesting. Uses DC in RDF example, using XML schema composition.

19:23:00 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K3.

19:23:14 <dajobe> uh oh

19:23:31 <danbri> K:"One of the strong arguments for Composition -- aside from the well-documented programmer's virtue of laziness -- is that you can lean on the more specialized knowledge of others. The people who put together Dublin Core put a lot of thought into how to best represent document metadata. They have been doing it since 1994. Most likely, you've been thinking about how to put meta-information into your document since two paragraphs ago. The

19:23:31 <danbri> atch. So your choice is either to get taken down by an angry librarian who's breaking noses and taking names or reuse the work. This design pattern recommends the latter."

19:23:31 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K4.

19:23:51 <DanC> K:I'm hoping we develop a Semantic Web pattern language in [http://esw.w3.org/topic/|the ESW Wiki]

19:23:51 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K5.

19:23:52 <danbri> K:..."There's no match. So your choice is either to get taken down by an angry librarian who's breaking noses and taking names or reuse the work. This design pattern recommends the latter."

19:23:52 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K6.

19:24:43 <danbri> K4:"One of the strong arguments for Composition -- aside from the well-documented programmer's virtue of laziness -- is that you can lean on the more specialized knowledge of others. The people who put together Dublin Core put a lot of thought into how to best represent document metadata. They have been doing it since 1994. Most likely, you've been thinking about how to put meta-information into your document since two paragraphs ago. "

19:24:44 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment K4.

19:26:31 <danbri> K:I'm not quite sure what a SW pattern language would be, but I've high hopes for the Wiki as a place for scribbling and refining notes on realworld SW problem solving.

19:26:31 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K7.

19:28:08 <danbri> K:In a sense, ontologies individually capture 'patterns', perhaps the Wiki provides more human-oriented documentation on how ontologies fit together to solve problems...?

19:28:08 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K8.

19:30:08 <golbeck_zzz> golbeck_zzz is now known as golbeck

19:33:06 * danbri uhohs at http://www.aljazeerah.info/Cartoons/Today's%20cartoons.htm

19:41:40 * danbri starts http://esw.w3.org/topic/CreativeCommons

19:41:52 <danbri> ...not much for now, but a start

19:52:43 <bitsko> RDF also is a "known use" for Dynamic Document

19:52:57 <bitsko> specifically in context of marshalling

19:57:27 <bitsko> K:For the Dynamic Document pattern, RDF can also be considered a "Known Use" in the marshalling context as persistence or encoding uses.

19:57:27 <dc_rdfig> Added comment K9.

20:45:32 <jhendler_>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0259.html

20:45:33 <dc_rdfig> L: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0259.html from jhendler_

20:45:53 <jhendler_>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0260.html

20:45:53 <dc_rdfig> M: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0260.html from jhendler_

20:46:16 <jhendler_> L:| Semantika

20:46:16 <dc_rdfig> Titled item L.

20:46:44 <jhendler_> L: A little humor/humour from the WOWG world. Mostly inside jokes, but thought some on this list might enjoy.

20:46:44 <dc_rdfig> Added comment L1.

20:46:52 <jhendler_> M: OWLbury Tales

20:46:52 <dc_rdfig> Added comment M1.

20:47:03 <jhendler_> M:| OWLbury Tales

20:47:03 <dc_rdfig> Titled item M.

20:47:14 <jhendler_> M: See note on "semantika"

20:47:15 <dc_rdfig> Added comment M2.

20:47:43 <jhendler_> M: humo(u)r released to celebrate WOWG decision to move documents to Last Call

20:47:43 <dc_rdfig> Added comment M3.

20:49:13 <jhendler_> M1:" "

20:49:13 <dc_rdfig> Replaced comment M1.

20:49:17 <jhendler_> M1:""

20:49:17 <dc_rdfig> Deleted comment M1.

20:49:54 * jhendler_ wonders if we couldn't have an entire vi-like interface for editing the chumps - already seem to have a complicated command langauge :->

22:33:39 <dom__> B: [http://www.w3.org/2002/06/rdfs2html.xsl|the RDF Schema formatter] uses XSLT to style RDF Schemas

22:33:40 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B7.

22:36:14 <dom__> B: (see it in action on the [http://www.w3.org/2002/01/pedal/pedal|PEDAL RDF schema] if your browser is XSLT-happy)

22:36:14 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B8.

22:59:05 <dajobe> logger_1, where am i?

22:59:05 <dajobe> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-03-28#T22-59-05

22:59:16 <dajobe> B:these [http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-03-28#T22-59-05|very chatlogs]

22:59:16 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B9.