Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2003-09-26

00:04:44 <nick_kew> nick_kew is now known as niq

00:48:02 <soccos-> soccos- is now known as soccos

01:14:49 <soccos> soccos is now known as soccos-

02:22:43 <karlcow> sbp?

02:28:15 <sbp> hi

02:30:09 <sbp> still around, Karl?

02:30:21 <karlcow> yep :) I just read miscoranda

02:30:36 <karlcow> opus 59.

02:30:59 <karlcow> :) and I like what I have seen. I have the same problem than you. My information is lost everywhere.

02:31:09 <karlcow> But I was thinking in a different way.

02:31:10 <sbp> ah!

02:31:12 <sbp> wow

02:31:33 <sbp> I note that JMR was hacking on something similar, too: his Busy Spunge

02:31:36 <karlcow> I put everything in a dated space... so I loose everything :p

02:32:17 <karlcow> so I was wondering if I could have a script which look at each day and try to build the maximum of metadata it can extract from the file itself.

02:32:19 <sbp> yeah. I date stamp folders and download and work in them

02:32:47 <karlcow> If it's a jpeg image, you might have for example exif data.

02:33:02 <karlcow> If it's an HTML file you might have title and head metadata, etc.

02:33:10 <sbp> I'd been working on a set of regexps to handle various different datatypes, though it turned out that some are ambiguous. but I think you're talking more about general content, aren't you?

02:33:12 <sbp> yeah

02:33:20 <karlcow> All of that could go directly to a database.

02:33:34 <sbp> it'd be good to have something like... hang on, let me find the link

02:33:43 <deltab> Dashboard?

02:33:48 <sbp> GNOME Storage: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/

02:34:06 <karlcow> yep

02:34:07 <sbp> what's Dashboard?

02:34:09 <karlcow> :)

02:34:27 <karlcow> and so you can image, you can do with mails and other things.

02:34:44 <karlcow> It's just each time you want to deal a new type, you add a plug-ins

02:34:56 <sbp> yeah. I've been thinking that that'd be ideal, but a little out of my reach. to re-write a filesystem... that's a huge job

02:35:11 <karlcow> yes out of mine :(

02:35:20 <deltab>http://www.nat.org/dashboard/

02:35:21 <dc_rdfig> A: http://www.nat.org/dashboard/ from deltab

02:35:27 <sbp> I think with the notes programs, it's working on the same problem, but a definite subset

02:35:30 <deltab> A:|Dashboard

02:35:31 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

02:36:53 <karlcow> A:A minimalist version of [dashboard for notes|http://miscoranda.com/59] by Sean B. Palmer

02:36:54 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A1.

02:38:36 * sbp goes very quickly through the Dashboard documentation...

02:39:35 <karlcow> hmm not available for mac :(

02:40:55 <sbp> hmm. it looks interesting, but it's not the sort of UI that I'd go for. it's certainly the type of integration I'd go for...

02:41:20 <karlcow> yep, I would like it on the command line :)

02:41:24 <sbp> hehe

02:42:05 <sbp> I've been wondering about minimal constraint there; the more people you want to get using something, the more configurable it needs to be, the less hard constraints it ought to have

02:42:26 <sbp> with the notes program, I'd like to be able to enter from command line, HTML forms, IRC, etc.

02:42:37 <sbp> and then have it display in lots of different media, too

02:42:57 <karlcow> yes if you keep it modular enough.

02:43:04 <sbp> so I guess I'd like similar functionality from Desktop

02:43:05 <sbp> yeah

02:43:17 * sbp sometimes feels that he's just too lazy to switch apps, though

02:44:09 <karlcow> btw you have a broken link to b.py from http://infomesh.net/2003/b/

02:44:20 <sbp> eek. thanks--fixing

02:45:07 <soccos-> soccos- is now known as soccos

02:45:38 <sbp> fixed, ta. I was never actually intending to release this stuff... :-)

02:45:58 <karlcow> I would encourage you in a future version to use ConfigParser

02:46:05 <karlcow> and use a file for config

02:46:11 <sbp> yeah

02:46:19 <sbp> actually, I'd use my RSS 3.0 parser

02:48:04 <deltab> sbp: dashboard could notice your URL and offer to open the source file :-)

02:48:15 <karlcow> # this is a comment

02:48:15 <karlcow> [User]

02:48:15 <karlcow> Name: Sean

02:48:15 <karlcow> Lastname: Palmer

02:48:16 <karlcow> [Directories]

02:48:16 <karlcow> basedir: 'c:/web/infomesh/2003'

02:48:30 <karlcow> could be a config file readable with ConfigParser :)

02:48:51 <sbp> hmm. very ini. I'd've done it like:

02:49:26 <sbp> [[[

02:49:26 <sbp> type: User

02:49:27 <sbp> Name: Sean

02:49:27 <sbp> Lastname: Palmer

02:49:27 <sbp> comment: this is a comment

02:49:27 <sbp>

02:49:29 <sbp> type: Directories

02:49:31 <sbp> basedir: c:/web/infomesh/2003

02:49:33 <sbp> ]]]

02:49:39 <karlcow> :)

02:50:00 <karlcow> can you have multiple lines with white lines?

02:50:15 <sbp> nope

02:50:48 <karlcow> damn.

02:51:02 <sbp> well, it'd be easy to add \uHHHH support I guess

02:51:10 <sbp> but that wouldn't make it all that intuitive :-)

02:51:46 <sbp> so yeah, I guess ConfigParser is a good idea

02:52:30 * sbp hopes it returns the sort of structure he wants... tries it

02:53:22 * sbp always gets worried when he can't work out what to do from dir(modulename)

02:53:43 <sbp> hmm

02:53:57 <karlcow> I have an example here http://www.la-grange.net/2003/07/23.html

02:53:57 <sbp> doesn't look like ConfigParser supports \n\n in values either

02:54:21 <karlcow> it doesn't either

02:54:22 <karlcow> :)

02:54:32 <sbp> ooh, thanks. trying it out

02:54:44 <karlcow> sorry It's why I said damn earlier;)

02:55:25 <karlcow> the little program on the page return a dictionary

02:56:39 <sbp> yeah. that's exactly the sort of structure I want

02:56:42 <sbp> thanks!

02:56:51 <karlcow> you are welcome

02:57:02 <sbp> logger, pointer?

02:57:02 <sbp> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-09-26#T02-57-02

02:58:21 <soccos> soccos is now known as soccos-

04:27:46 <soccos-> soccos- is now known as soccos

04:49:47 <DanCon> oops; 49 minutes just went by between sitting down to work on larchifying this "explicit proof" stuff and actually getting started on it.

04:50:34 <DanCon> "I'll just check my mail real quick first" <- famous last words

05:30:12 <DanCon> woohoo! definition 5.2 (LP0) sort-checks

05:31:21 * DanCon saves v1.3 of http://www.w3.org/XML/9711theory/LogicOfProofs.lsl

06:44:01 <mdupont> moin moin

07:38:19 <Wack> Wack is now known as _Wack

10:51:04 <[J1]> [J1] is now known as jeen

15:31:31 <JimJibber> JimJibber is now known as JibberJim

17:57:26 <golbeck_> golbeck_ is now known as golbeck

21:28:43 <DanCon> cool... http://www.csszengarden.com/

22:07:47 <Arnia> Arnia is now known as ickleDog

22:35:25 <mdupont>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595132308/qid=1064615675/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/102-5580939-5012109?v=glance&s=books

22:35:26 <dc_rdfig> B: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595132308/qid=1064615675/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/102-5580939-5012109?v=glance&s=books from mdupont

22:35:38 <mdupont> B:|Rdf Specifications: Containing Resource Description Framework Rdf Schema and Resource Description Framework Rdf Model and Syntax Specification

22:35:39 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

22:35:50 <mdupont> B:|AMAZON.com Rdf Specifications: Containing Resource Description Framework Rdf Schema and Resource Description Framework Rdf Model and Syntax Specification

22:35:50 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

22:36:23 <mdupont> bitsko: by danbri , World Wide Web Consortium

22:36:27 <mdupont> B:by danbri , World Wide Web Consortium

22:36:27 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.

22:37:40 <danbri> B:Save your money! (and send it to me ;)

22:37:40 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B2.

22:38:00 <mdupont> B:for sale by [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-to-external-url/102-5580939-5012109?path=http%3A//s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/customer-glance/A18RVZS4GJ5ELK|edsilver] for $16.19

22:38:00 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B3.

22:38:02 <danbri> B:Seriously, this is an awful and now out-dated book...

22:38:02 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B4.

22:38:37 <mdupont> :)

22:39:54 <JibberJim> you should buy some cheese and a shovel instead?

22:40:41 <mdupont> danbri: what book can you recommend?

22:40:51 <mdupont> JibberJim: what do you recommend?

22:40:55 <danbri> just print out the latest specs

22:41:03 * JibberJim doesn't do books.

22:41:13 * sandro lol @ cheese and shovel danbri

22:41:14 <danbri> and Shelley's Practical RDF is a useful survey of RDF in the field

22:41:19 <mdupont> i mean to learn the n3 and logic the best?

22:41:29 <mdupont> o'reily?

22:41:35 <danbri> this book is my favourite web annotation use case :)

22:41:38 <danbri> yes, O'Reilly

22:41:54 * danbri packs for Seattle trip (Dublin Core)

22:41:55 <mdupont> i was really suprized to see your name

22:41:57 <danbri> anyone else from here going?

22:42:01 <danbri> mdupont, so was I!!!

22:42:12 <danbri> (made my parents proud though ;)

22:42:28 <mdupont> :) *giggle*

22:42:37 <danbri> Have no idea why they picked me of all the editors/authors. Alphanumerically first maybe? dunno

22:42:51 * danbri wonders which #rdfig-ists are from Seattle, if any

22:44:03 <sandro> It's nice that Amazon lets you anotate it, essentially, on their page.

22:44:09 <danbri> yes, very

22:46:01 <mdupont> danbri: maybe it is you nice smile

22:46:26 <mdupont> too bad you cannot attach your foaf to the amazon webpage in the authors info!

22:52:27 <danbri> yeah the Amazon site has an interesting challenge: "I'm the author and I'd like to comment"

22:52:31 * danbri wonders how they verify that

23:07:40 <mdupont> LOL, thats funny. Please let me distance myself from this book. Do the have author information? /me looks

23:55:43 <mdupont> danbri: i think you should sue this guy for using your name to sell junk

23:55:57 <mdupont> small claims court without an lawyer

23:56:12 * danbri has better things to waste time on

23:56:28 <mdupont> :)

23:56:58 <mdupont> danbri: do you know of any freelancing work that can be done over the internet?

23:58:58 <danbri> I think there are some websites that contract out coding jobs, but its a while since i looked at that stuff