Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2004-01-04

00:21:33 <D[a]vey> D[a]vey is now known as Davey

01:29:19 <DanC> er... wierd... who checked in a revision of aimbridge?

01:42:46 <DanC> hmm... twisted IRC api puzzle...

01:43:16 <DanC> I'm trying to read a bunch of IRC channel coordinates from a file and join all of them...

01:43:49 <DanC> ... I can tell twisted to connect to a server, but that server object can't do .join() until I've returned control to the twisted event loop

02:20:19 * DanC-AIM waves

02:30:48 <DanC> nifty aimbridge feature: /status will list channels, with numbered indexes

02:30:54 <DanC> then /p N will switch

02:31:26 <DanC-AIM> party 5

02:42:51 <DanC> ah; one more todo: /whois or /names support

02:44:49 <Ankh> DanC, you wrote aimbridge?

02:45:39 * Ankh pads off for a few minutes, oops

03:00:06 <DanC> I got the first working version from aaronsw

03:00:12 <DanC> I'm revising it today

03:01:27 <edward> edward is now known as bash

03:01:33 <bash> bash is now known as bash_org

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03:06:47 <bash_dot_org> bash_dot_org is now known as edward

03:32:53 <Ankh> DanC - thanks

04:49:41 <Davey> Davey is now known as D[a]vey

05:44:37 <GabeW_> GabeW_ is now known as GabeW

06:05:59 * DanC struggles to grok the part of the IRC protocol that says how long folks have been idle...

06:07:42 <DanC> seems to be ctcp FINGER...

06:07:58 <DanC> now... how does that part of the twisted IRC api work?

06:08:12 * DanC tries some print statements, loses...

06:17:10 <DanC> hmm... ctcp FINGER is obsolete in favor of 4.5.2 Whois query

06:40:20 <Ankh> danc, yes

06:40:23 <Ankh> whois nick nick

06:40:26 <Ankh> returns idle time

06:40:32 <Ankh> (and other info)

06:40:58 <Ankh> ctcp finger tends to be unreliable (ctcp is a separate spec)

06:40:59 <DanC> yes, I'm struggling with the python twisted IRC api for it...

06:41:07 <Ankh> ah. that I dont' know about

06:54:21 <D[a]vey> D[a]vey is now known as Davey

07:43:32 * DanC checks in /whois support

07:43:41 <DanC> darn it; I was gonna add /invite too.

07:43:46 <DanC> not tonight, though

08:14:15 * chaalsMEL waves

10:21:43 <Davey> Davey is now known as D[a]vey

10:50:47 <tav> tav is now known as tav|offline

10:57:22 <tav|offline> tav|offline is now known as tav

11:57:29 <mortenf> hey libby, how would you feel about a "limit n,m" clause in squish, to limit the number of result rows, optionally starting from a specific row number?

11:59:32 <libby> interesting idea

11:59:56 <libby> what's your use-case specifically?

12:00:20 <mortenf> i'm thinking search engines and the like

12:00:29 <[GNU]> same usecase as in SQL92?

12:00:37 <[GNU]> good morning btw

12:00:38 <mortenf> i guess, don't know that

12:00:43 <mortenf> morning :)

12:01:35 * libby recalss something about JDBC which means that you can't stream rows - not that that's relevant in the general case

12:02:11 * libby wonders if xquery has things like that

12:02:49 <mortenf> hmm, haven't really looked at xquery, kinda want to use squish for now and wait for the query wg...

12:04:40 * libby probably can;t implement it at the moment. but why don;t you implement it and see how hard it is...could maybe feed into he wg if there is one

12:04:56 <mortenf> that's what i was thinking anyway :)

12:04:58 <Ankh> libby - not being able to stream rows??

12:05:08 <libby> I was going to say, bet you did it already :)

12:05:11 <Ankh> xquery implementations can stream results

12:05:22 <D[a]vey> libby!

12:06:00 <libby> Ankh: I was talking about a jdbc problem that andys reported, meaning you had to load the entire resultset into memory and then return the bits you wanted

12:06:06 <D[a]vey> D[a]vey is now known as Davey

12:06:08 <libby> heya D[a]vey

12:06:15 <Ankh> maybe it has resultcount in the header or something?

12:06:20 <Davey> libby: May I query you quickly, I'd like a word...

12:06:28 <libby> ok

12:06:35 <Ankh> sounds odd though

12:06:56 * libby digs out the ref

12:10:09 <libby> [[

12:10:13 <libby> ]]

12:10:22 <libby> from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jena-dev/message/4594

12:10:27 <libby> sorry that pasted funny

12:10:34 <Davey> you seem to have forgotten something, like whatever you meant to paste.

12:11:16 <libby> heh

12:11:39 <libby> [[

12:11:56 <libby> PS Note also, that JDBC (MySQL, PostgresSQL drivers at least) has a defect. All the results from the SQL query are pulled over from the DB into memory when the query results object is created, even before the first .hasNext() or .next(). This is a nuisance.

12:11:57 <libby> ]]

12:12:05 <libby> so it's a bug anyway

12:13:27 <mortenf> this doesnt hold for the general mysql case, at least (perhaps for the jdbc impl. though)

12:13:50 <libby> yeah, seems so

12:14:44 <Ankh> hmm ok, I've only used the perl DBI interface

12:15:17 <libby> only vaguely relevant

12:15:51 <libby> Ankh: can xquery ask for rows 10-20 and suchlike?

12:16:17 <Ankh> well, it doesn't really operate in terms of rows

12:16:33 <Ankh> but you could ask for items 10-20 in a sequence

12:16:56 <libby> right

12:17:11 * chaalsMEL query <libby> collect x : ?name x danbri , ?notSnoring x

12:17:47 <chaalsMEL> hi all, BTW (c) Yv(r)es Lafon

12:18:02 <libby> heya chaals :)

12:18:05 <Ankh> e.g. (/aussie[@hatsize=96])[10-20]

12:19:11 <chaalsMEL> Sweet...

12:19:25 * chaalsMEL guesses the results of my query is a null set.

12:37:55 <libby> !chump http://pawscon.com/

12:37:58 <whwhwhwh> no results found, sorry

12:38:01 <libby>http://pawscon.com/

12:38:02 <dc_rdfig> A: http://pawscon.com/ from libby

12:38:57 <libby> A:|PAWS PHP and Web Standards Conference UK 2004, February 20th to 24th 2004, London, UK

12:38:57 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

12:39:19 <libby> A:deadline Jan 9th

12:39:19 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A1.

12:40:19 <libby> adr_: topics include "* Web Standards Advocacy (Why we should use them) * The Semantic Web * Web Standards and Corporate Solutions * XML (Including XSLT, XPath etc.) * Web Development Using Web Standards"

12:40:25 <libby> A:topics include "* Web Standards Advocacy (Why we should use them) * The Semantic Web * Web Standards and Corporate Solutions * XML (Including XSLT, XPath etc.) * Web Development Using Web Standards"

12:40:25 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A2.

12:45:33 <libby>http://esw.w3.org/topic/WWW2004

12:45:33 <dc_rdfig> B: http://esw.w3.org/topic/WWW2004 from libby

12:46:56 <libby> B:|WWW2004 conference photos project meet, Jan 6th 2004 at 15:00 UTC, #rdfig

12:46:56 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

12:47:36 <libby> B:[http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=1&year=2004&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0|2004-01-06, 15:00 UTC]

12:47:37 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.

12:48:12 <libby> B:all welcome - see [http://esw.w3.org/topic/WWW2004|wiki page, section 3] for links and details

12:48:12 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B2.

13:27:29 <chaalsMEL> !chump

13:27:29 <whwhwhwh> try !chump <url> to see if and when a url has been chumped before on #rdfig. .chump uses an exact match.

13:53:03 <chaalsMEL> chaalsMEL is now known as chaalZzz

15:07:21 <Davey> Davey is now known as D[a]vey

18:54:27 <LotR> hi libby. happy new year

18:57:41 <libby> heya LotR, same to you :)

19:04:17 <Ol> hi all, happy new year

19:13:58 <LotR> and to you, Ol

19:14:18 <libby> heya ol

19:35:19 <tav> tav is now known as tav|offline

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20:18:46 <adr_> adr_ is now known as adr

21:02:47 <D[a]vey> D[a]vey is now known as Davey

22:09:03 <Davey> Davey is now known as D[a]vey

22:29:51 <D[a]vey> D[a]vey is now known as Davey

22:36:57 <libby>http://esw.w3.org/topic/ImageDescriptionRdfExamples

22:36:57 <dc_rdfig> C: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ImageDescriptionRdfExamples from libby

22:37:41 <libby> C:|Image Description RDF examples

22:37:41 <dc_rdfig> Titled item C.

22:38:07 <libby> C:for [http://esw.w3.org/topic/WWW2004|WWW2004 conference image annotation project]

22:38:07 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C1.

22:39:01 <libby> C:I tried to summarise some ideas and pull them together but I've probbaly missed plenty out, please edit if so...

22:39:01 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C2.

22:39:20 <mortenf_> ah, will check :)

22:39:34 <libby> oh, hey mortenf_! thanks :)

22:40:04 <libby> I was trying to pull together something sane-ish ahead of tuesday's meeting

22:40:20 <mortenf_> oh, irc or irl?

22:40:31 <libby> irc

22:40:49 <mortenf_> is it open and if so when?

22:40:51 <libby> C:see [http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2004/01/www2004/long-eg.rdf|an example trying to pull it all together]

22:40:51 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C3.

22:40:51 <Davey> libby: where are the details for those two lists you mentioned earlier btw? (like, how to subscribe :)

22:41:00 <libby> 'course mortenf yep

22:41:08 <libby> I chumped it earlier actually

22:41:22 <mortenf_> you did, yeah, missed that...

22:41:55 <mortenf_> hmm, can't seem to reach w3...

22:42:04 <libby> Davey: yep... http://rdfweb.org/mailman/listinfo/rdfweb-dev and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/

22:42:17 <Davey> libby: thanks :)

22:42:28 <libby> mortenf_: we are going to get a proper mailing list at w3c hopefully

22:42:40 <mortenf_> nice

22:42:47 <libby> open and stuff...

22:43:30 <mortenf_> great

22:44:22 <libby> perhaps for image description in general

22:44:34 <mortenf_> that'd be nice

22:44:47 <libby> when I was looking around you and jibberjim and masahide and everyone have done so much on this stuff

22:45:05 <mortenf_> i've mostly been copying mattb...

22:45:21 <libby> duh, and mattb

22:45:30 * libby knew I would foget someone vital :(

22:45:33 <mattb> hehe

22:45:34 <mortenf_> :)

22:45:45 <mattb> i've been desperately unproductive for such a long time

22:45:57 <mattb> i shall be New and Improved for 2004, just you wait ;)

22:46:33 <libby> hurrah :))

22:46:49 <mattb> everyone got their xml europe subs in?

22:47:06 <mortenf_> not yet...

22:47:16 <chaalZzz> chaalZzz is now known as chaalsMEL

22:47:27 * chaalsMEL did like a good boy.

22:47:31 * libby refactors that page a bit

22:47:49 * libby been ill, brain not working well enough to put something in

22:48:04 <mortenf_> aw

22:56:12 <chaalsMEL> morning all, BTW

22:56:46 <mortenf_> evening :)

22:57:41 <libby> B:see [http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/12/19/2003-12-19.html#1071846235.658126|previous discussion notes]

22:57:41 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B3.

22:57:46 <libby> heya chaals

23:07:15 <Ol> first vacation hack for 2004: exporting 'me card' from osx addresbook to foaf :)

23:08:04 <libby> oooh! :))

23:08:07 <chaalsMEL> did you do it to export everyone else's card too?

23:08:14 <Ol> good way to learn python, rdflib, and pyobjC bridge at the same time :)

23:08:14 * chaalsMEL got halfway through doing this.

23:08:31 <chaalsMEL> I started to do it using sed :-)

23:08:37 <Ol> :)

23:08:56 <Ol> not yet, I'm first trying to get every property I can from AB

23:09:04 <LotR> are me cards on OS X vCards?

23:09:55 <Ol> cards can be exported to vcard yes, but there is a system lib to access AB data from other apps

23:10:20 <Ol> internal model is somewhat richer

23:10:23 <LotR> oh

23:11:11 <chaalsMEL> ooh. Chuimp?

23:11:34 <chaalsMEL> or pointer...

23:12:57 <Ol>http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AddressBook/

23:12:57 <dc_rdfig> D: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AddressBook/ from Ol

23:17:11 <chaalsMEL> D: "If you're using C, use ... if you're using Objective-C use...".

23:17:11 <dc_rdfig> Added comment D1.

23:17:30 * chaalsMEL waits to spendd a few days with someone who is more of a programmer, and goes back to sed scripts :-)

23:17:53 <LotR> hmm, so someone registered the nick datum while the bot was gone?

23:19:38 <Ol> D: Can be accessed with Python through http://pyobjc.sourceforge.net/

23:19:38 <dc_rdfig> Added comment D2.

23:49:12 <Ol> Ol is now known as Ol_[a]