Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2004-02-24

00:13:04 <nym> hey

00:13:31 <nym> anyone know prexisting rdf namespace for classifieds?

00:14:14 <nym> in fact if anyone have any pet namespaces they really like (save foaf/rss/locative:Packet), i'd love to hear about it

00:15:09 <nym> oh, and rich_g asked if there's a porn namespace (i'm not sure if he was serious or not, but i'm not likely to author it myself)

00:15:59 <libby> what sort of thing? I know someome working on a pics one for classifying porn etc

00:16:18 <nym> yeah that's what he was talking about

00:16:45 <nym> i'm doing extensive picture rdf and i guess that's a feature he wants

00:17:03 <nym> although honestly i'm more interested in classifieds rdf

00:17:08 <libby> right, dunno if it's public but I could dig out a name at least

00:17:09 <libby> heh

00:17:30 <nym> allright, i'm sure if i supported it, people would use it

00:17:34 <libby> did you try http://www.schemaweb.info/ ?

00:17:38 <nym> nope

00:18:02 <nym> is that a good repository for rdf namespace?

00:18:19 <libby> yeah, pretty cool

00:19:18 <nym> any other places i should look?

00:19:37 <libby> hm, not sure

00:19:44 <nym> oh and who is that person with the pr0namespace? danbri?

00:20:14 <libby> phil archer is your pics bloke: http://www.icra.org/, dunno where the schema is

00:21:00 <nym> is it a censorship thing?

00:21:14 <zool> it's a double-edged-sword thing

00:21:21 <nym> heh

00:21:37 <aharth> the site http://www.ontologycentral.com/ has also a list of vocabularies

00:21:44 <nym> cool

00:22:47 <kasei> If I were to dump some RDF into an MP3's ID3 tag, how would anyone suggest generating/parsing the RDF such that it can be understood to annotate the mp3 (which may or may not have a permanent URI)? Would using about="" be an acceptable way to go?

00:22:55 <nym> zool: i have some locative:Packet q's

00:23:35 <nym> zool: are you busy?

00:24:11 <libby> inetresting kasei, similar issues to embedding rdf in jpegs

00:24:19 <kasei> yeah

00:24:23 <nym> mmm

00:24:24 <zool> nym: yes and no... it would be good to talk over it here more though

00:24:39 <libby> I don;t know the answer, although rdfpic uses an internal id to refer to the image itself I think

00:24:42 <zool> brb

00:24:53 <libby> ndw has looked into this for images, probably

00:24:59 <nym> kasei: what's your website? i think i may know you through your writing

00:25:01 <kasei> internal id?

00:25:07 <libby> anything in musicbrainz?

00:25:07 <kasei> kasei.us ;)

00:25:27 <kasei> or the deprecated evilfunhouse.com

00:25:45 <libby> rdf:about="" to refer to the metadata and rdf:about="#one" for the image. dunno, half remembering

00:26:01 <nym> kasei, wrong person but i like your remem comment

00:26:19 <kasei> and every image would internally be known as #one, then?

00:26:45 <libby> I guess. not sure

00:26:54 <libby> didn;t seem quite right to me

00:27:24 <nym> zool: ping me when you do

00:27:34 <kasei> I suppose that could work.

00:27:49 * libby has a look at what ndw's been doing

00:29:05 <libby> you definitely need to distinguish between the metadata and the mp3 somehow, I think

00:30:02 <kasei> I suppose. Although there's something interesting in about="" meaning the actual mp3.

00:30:32 <libby> yeah, I agree, but might be ambiguous

00:30:55 <nym> neat re: rdf in id3

00:31:00 <kasei> yes. and it would be more sensible the way you suggest.

00:31:14 <nym> plus itunes supporting foaf:tipjar would be killer for artists

00:31:21 <kasei> that's what I'm working on

00:31:26 <kasei> except not for iTunes

00:32:19 <kasei> I'm not sure I'm going to make it, but I'm trying to knock something together before SXSW where a lot of the online music people will be...

00:32:43 <kasei> It would be nice to show that off with examples of some of their mp3s

00:32:46 <nym> 1. Download Metalica 2. Rewrite id3 foaf:tipjar to point at your bank acct. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT

00:33:05 <kasei> haha

00:33:21 <libby> nice re tipjar

00:33:59 <nym> i could see tipjar in watermark technology too

00:34:11 <nym> not that i love watermarks particularly

00:34:56 <libby> I reckon, ask ndw what he does when he's about, and check with musicbrainz

00:35:18 <kasei> "what he does" with...?

00:35:58 <kasei> I'll dig into the musicbrainz as soon as my network stops being stupid... web access seems flaky right now.

00:36:52 <zool> rob musicbrainz gave an interesting talk about an as-yet-unimplemented design for social network based distributed filesharing thing

00:38:09 <nym> is ndw the bloke with the BlueTooth hairdo?

00:38:23 <nym> zool: mmm

00:39:14 <libby> nym, no :)

00:39:26 <libby> !pic norm walsh

00:39:55 <libby> hm

00:40:02 <nym>http://joi.ito.com/archives/2004/02/10/photos_from_etech.html

00:40:02 <dc_rdfig> A: http://joi.ito.com/archives/2004/02/10/photos_from_etech.html from nym

00:40:14 <wh4> Norm Walsh http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2002/04/07/001775.JPG

00:40:33 <nym> i don't know him

00:40:51 <kasei> strong competition from the photo on this page, though: http://logicerror.com/musicbrainzRDFCore :)

00:41:17 <libby> yerg!

00:42:29 <kasei> is there a schema for the musicbrainz stuff?

00:42:30 <nym> yow

00:42:36 <nym> that's a bit gaudy

00:42:42 <nym> would be better if it was black and white

00:42:51 <kasei> heh

00:43:19 <nym> kasei, i believe so re musicbrainz

00:43:28 <libby> someone was making a schema but I don;t know where it is

00:43:32 <nym> kasei, i'd google then email rob if you can't find anything

00:44:21 <kasei> google tells me "Leigh Dodds has been working on the RDF schema for MusicBrainz"

00:44:33 <libby> isn;t there a musicbrainz irc channel?

00:44:46 <deltab> yes

00:47:17 <libby> - http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/search?q=musicbrainz&Go=Go&channel=rdfig&count=50&case=yes

00:48:26 <nym> woo http://rdfweb.org/2002/svgsemantics/picsng-demo.html

00:48:43 <zool> :)

00:49:09 <kasei> ah, excellent. thanks libby.

00:49:19 <zool> re esigler

00:59:07 <esigler> howdy zool

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13:19:49 <CaptSolo_> hi all :)

13:20:34 <CaptSolo_> does google use FOAF meta-information attached to webpages?

13:21:16 <CaptSolo_> my blog mentions only my nick (i think so :)

13:22:20 <CaptSolo_> surprise when searching by the realname shows the blog as hit #1

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13:40:13 <sbp> CaptSolo_: people have probably linked to your blog using your real name

13:40:28 <sbp> Google uses inbound link titles

14:38:44 <mdupont> hi all

14:46:44 <Wack> hello

14:59:04 <mdupont> hi Wack

14:59:14 <mdupont> Goeddag

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15:35:04 <mdupont> yeah

15:35:17 <mdupont> goededag?

15:40:08 <Wack> goedendag could be considered correct, but it's not used often

15:41:06 <Wack> goedenmorgen/goedenmiddag/goedenavond might be better, but a simple 'hoi!

15:41:10 <Wack> will suffice ;)

15:41:30 <bryce> hoi!

15:46:11 <Wack> :]

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17:29:27 <ndw> Do the calendaring folks have a way of staying in sync with evolution?

17:29:40 <ndw> I added something to the local/calendar.ics file, but next time I ran evolution, it deleted it

17:29:59 <ndw> I'd like a one-way sync: replace all appts in the calendar with these new ones

17:30:34 <DanC_desk> unfortunately, evolution doesn't grok pub/sub

17:31:02 <DanC_desk> evolution has an API, and in theory it can be accessed from python, but I never got it working

17:31:43 <DanC_desk> I solved the "next time it deleted it" problem one time... it involves killing a wombat, as I recall.

17:32:12 <ndw> aharth, yes, killing wombats might do it

17:32:18 <CaptSolo> hi all

17:32:25 <ndw> sorry, "ay, yes" became "aharth"

17:32:25 <DanC_desk> edd knows more python/evolution magic than I do

17:32:40 <aharth> never killed a wombat :)

17:32:54 <DanC_desk> $ ps aux | grep wombat

17:32:54 <DanC_desk> connolly 6371 0.0 1.8 38260 16332 ? S Feb01 8:29 /usr/lib/evolution/1.4/evolution-wombat --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Wombat_InterfaceCheck --oaf-ior-fd=40

17:35:27 <ndw> That does it. I have other odd evolution problems (no calendar at all on my laptop) but it looks like I can generate an .ics file and install it after I get that fixed

17:35:41 <ndw> "That does it" => "Kill the wombat does it"

17:44:44 * DanC_desk sees a blog entry brewing... "Sacrificing wombats for calendar sync"

17:44:58 <ndw> heh

17:46:21 <DanC_desk> I have a calendar generated from my homepage and my travel itinerary/ies http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/travel-sched {.ics,.rdf}

17:46:53 <DanC_desk> unfortunately, apple iCal only groks the first BEGIN:VCALENDAR in a file

17:47:48 <ndw> Yes, eventually my itinerary page will have rdfCalendar and ical on it

17:48:16 <ndw> And the evolution alarms, if you run evolution all the time and not once every six months!, seem kind of handy so I may build an .ics file for my whole datebook

17:48:47 <ndw> I keep thinking I should put all the PIM stuff in Joseki and make that the master source and just sync everyone off that

17:48:56 <DanC_desk> the danger folks launched XMLRPC access to my WearableGizmo data too... http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/dangerSync.py

17:49:11 <ndw> Presumably evolution, palm, etc. conduits are within the realm of possibility

17:49:24 <ndw> cool. what do you get back from the gizmo? ical?

17:49:29 <DanC_desk> XMLRPC

17:49:34 <ndw> duh

17:49:36 <ndw> :-)

17:49:59 <DanC_desk> it serializes as RDF pretty easily, and I wrote danger2ical.n3 rules to convert to iCalendar

17:50:53 <DanC_desk> [[

17:50:55 <DanC_desk> <event rdf:ID='2177'>

17:50:56 <DanC_desk> <repeat_type rdf:datatype='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer'>0</repeat_type>

17:50:56 <DanC_desk> <event_type rdf:datatype='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer'>1</event_type>

17:50:56 <DanC_desk> <end_date>20031209T121500Z</end_date>

17:50:56 <DanC_desk> <title>TAG town hall</title>

17:50:58 <DanC_desk>

17:51:00 <DanC_desk> ...

17:51:02 <DanC_desk> ]

17:51:04 <DanC_desk> ]

17:51:23 <ndw> URI for danger2ical.n3? I had been thinking of going to ical with xslt...

17:52:08 <DanC_desk> er... file://dirk.dm93.org/home/connolly/majo-data/danger2ical.n3

17:52:21 <ndw> oh

17:52:24 <DanC_desk> i.e. not released. hmm...

17:52:36 <ndw> if you're willing to heave it in my direction, please do

17:53:37 <DanC_desk> there: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/danger2ical.n3

17:53:51 <DanC_desk> i.e. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2001/palmagent/danger2ical.n3?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain

17:54:02 <DanC_desk> (why cvsweb defaults to the changelog is beyond me)

17:55:18 <DanC_desk> hmm... it might depend on another .n3 file. but you're just going to eyeball it, not really use it, right?

17:56:58 * DanC_desk was going to split danger stuff out of palmagent ... hmm...

17:57:28 <DanC_desk> the other .n3 file: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/danger2ical.n3

17:58:00 <DanC_desk> phtpht. rather: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/danger.n3

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18:02:19 <ndw> thx

18:04:03 <ndw> wow. clearly i've got more to learn about n3

18:05:37 <ndw> so, this produces some rdf. how do you get the rdf to .ical text format?

18:07:25 <DanC_desk> I use http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/toIcal.py

18:07:50 <DanC_desk> MK wrote a converter in XSLT, btw.

18:08:31 <ndw> thanks again, i'll take a closer look soon. probably somewhere over the atlantic where I won't be able to get the one bit I'm missing. c'est la vie.

18:08:55 <DanC_desk> yeah, there are lots of bits all over the place. sucks.

18:09:11 <DanC_desk> MK's thingy: http://kanzaki.com/parts/rdf2ical.xsl <- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-calendar/2004Jan/0009.html

18:09:36 <DanC_desk> we had a recent scheduledTopicChat about all this, but haven't udpated the relevant overview pages to show the forest for the trees

18:10:01 <ndw> yes, i forget where i was, but i wasn't able to be there in any event.

18:11:10 * DanC_desk was hoping to get the forest/trees arranged in slide presentation form for report to SemWeb IG next week, but then a teammate fell down a manhole cover...

18:11:56 <ndw> I think one falls down the manhole for lack of the cover, but that's the sort of annoying quibble you'd rather not hear :-)

18:12:31 * DanC_desk wishes malloc bugs on ndw. :-P

18:12:36 <ndw> lol

18:12:49 * ndw is happy not to do manual memory management anymore

18:13:13 * ndw does sometimes wish object creation time was a bit faster though, perhaps as a result

18:24:38 <DanC_desk> .time JST

18:24:38 <datum> Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:24:39 JST

18:49:39 * libby waves at danc_desk, ndw

18:49:55 * ndw waves back

18:50:44 <libby> I'll try and fix that moblog prob ndw

18:51:40 <DanC_desk> hi libby.

18:52:05 <ndw> ok, no worries, i just happened to notice

18:52:09 <libby> hi dan, trying to think re f2f

18:52:23 <DanC_desk> I was thinking about taking the WWW2004 calendar draft and reducing it to slide form. it tells the story reasonably well

18:52:45 <libby> I don;t know what's wrong with me! I'm trying to filter out crap that orange and tmobile send and it always filters out everything else too

18:52:56 <libby> sounds good to me dan

18:53:24 <DanC_desk> how would you like to do the reduction? I'm not at all confident I'll get a round tuit

18:53:40 <DanC_desk> maybe we could do it in the wiki somehow

18:53:42 <libby> sure if you don;t have time

18:54:49 <libby> okey, officially I was planning on being on strike, but we'll see

18:55:01 <libby> wiki is a good place to do it

18:55:09 * DanC_desk wishes for operashow functionality mixed with moinmoin wiki

18:55:20 <libby> yeah

18:55:34 <libby> there is a slide template I think? not tried it

18:55:40 <DanC_desk> the SVG slidemaker might be worth a try

18:56:38 * libby wants keynote...

19:19:55 <Reto-m> Hi, am looking for a way to find RSS feed that containt the content (mod-content) any idea?

19:23:35 <jsled> Reto-m: google search for the namespace of content with "type:rdf" in the query?

19:25:01 <libby> reto-m, this any use? http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2004/02/stats/foafstats.jsp?schema=http://purl.org/rss/1.0/ and then http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2004/02/stats/stats2.jsp?pred=http%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Frss%2F1.0%2Fmodules%2Fcontent%2Fencoded ?

19:27:17 <Reto-m> thanks! I will check when back at desktop

19:46:18 <mdupont> anyone ever tried rdfcore/postgres? http://search.cpan.org/src/DPOKORNY/RDF-Core-0.30/doc/RDF/Core/Storage/Postgres.pm.html ?

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22:00:38 <DanC_desk> .time JST

22:00:38 <datum> Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:00:39 JST

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22:39:50 <CaptSolo> DanC: what is 'danger'?

22:40:12 <DanC_desk> .google WearableGizmo

22:40:13 <datum> WearableGizmo: http://dm93.org/z2001/WearableGizmo

22:40:28 <DanC_desk> danger makes the sidekick

22:43:57 <CaptSolo> looks nice

22:44:55 <CaptSolo> XDA II was mentioned today in #foaf - also looks nice

22:45:20 <CaptSolo> but the price tag of 1.5k$ is too much to pay for such a gizmo

22:49:24 <DanC_desk> the sidekick is cheap. price went below $0 at amazon for a bit. (i.e. rebates were more than purchase price)

22:51:25 <CaptSolo> sounds good :)

22:51:56 <CaptSolo> though its with service plan, so won't be good for .LV, but still interesting...

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