Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2004-06-23

05:54:12 <SeanP> SeanP is now known as sbp

07:32:54 * sanctius Bonjour tout le monde / Good Morning all

09:08:09 <libby> anyone know how much RDF is out there in the wild?

09:09:00 <libby> roughly?

09:11:03 <larsbot> there was a survey a long time ago, actually

09:11:22 <larsbot> see http://www.i-u.de/schools/eberhart/rdf/

09:11:28 <libby> oh, ta :)

09:16:24 <evamen> Oh, thanks larsbot... I am needing that kind of survey...

09:16:57 <libby> it's alittle old....I've seens tuff quoting millions, just not sure where...

09:17:03 <shellac> hmm - we need nmg or swh

09:17:24 <shellac> they've got some current(-ish) stats

09:17:43 <libby> yeah

09:17:53 <evamen> And... Does it exit a newest one?

09:18:08 <shellac> I can't remember what Nigel quoted last week

09:19:17 <shellac> vast majority is foaf - in the millions iirc

09:19:33 <libby> yeah

09:19:52 <libby> that paper is good idea, juts needs updating

09:21:34 <evamen> Yes... Libby, in the SWAD-E you haven't done something like a report or survey with the RDF use "in the wild"?

09:21:55 <libby> nope :(

09:23:51 <evamen> Don't worry... it would be easy if people here help on make something like an inventory of RDF uses...

10:00:17 * CloCkWeRX rereads his google hackers guide for finding stuff in specific file types

10:15:22 <libby> there is a sutterplan that does taht somewhere, by pixel

10:15:52 <libby> or used to

10:46:14 <Emmy> good morning :)

10:47:53 <swh_> swh_ is now known as swh

11:30:48 <crschmidt> There are roughly 4 million LiveJournal-based FOAF files

11:31:17 <crschmidt> Which, admittedly, isn't all that useful in terms of anything other than building graphs, since it's almost 100% internally pointing.

11:46:01 <libby_> libby_ is now known as libby

11:47:32 <Talliesin> crschmidt, IE seems to have some issue with downloading the LiveJournal FOAFs

11:48:43 <crschmidt> Talliesin: more so than it does any other application/rdf+xml Content-Type?

11:59:26 <Talliesin> Yes, normally it goes "what the heck is this, better save it as a file so something that understands can open it".

11:59:42 <Talliesin> But I couldn't even get it to do that.

12:00:09 <crschmidt> Talliesin: So far as I know, we don't do anything different than anyone else I can find.

12:00:59 <Talliesin> strangeness

12:03:23 <Talliesin> It's happy if I make a link and use it, but not if I directly use the URI in the address bar.

12:03:35 <Talliesin> But I think I've seen that before.

12:04:40 <Talliesin> BTW, have you looked at using Content-Disposition headers to suggest a filename, best of both worlds between extensions sucking in URIs but extensions being important on some machines when you have them downloaded.

12:05:08 <Talliesin> Say if http://www.livejournal.com/users/XXX/data/foaf

12:05:10 <Talliesin> had:

12:05:49 <Talliesin> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XXX_foaf.rdf"

12:05:52 <Talliesin> That would rock.

12:06:08 <Talliesin> default filename would be explanatory and everything.

12:07:29 <crschmidt> Hm. I'll look into it. Changing things on LJ is... well, impossible.

12:07:32 <crschmidt> But I'll see what I can do.

13:02:05 <DanC_jam> .g ping

13:02:07 <datum> ping: http://www.pinggolf.com/

13:02:08 <phenny> ping: http://www.pinggolf.com/

13:03:57 <crschmidt> hm. datum's owner isn't online.

13:10:36 <Talliesin> bot races

13:10:46 <Talliesin> .g who will be first

13:10:46 <datum> who will be first: http://www.firstgov.gov/

13:10:48 <phenny> who will be first: http://www.firstgov.gov/

13:36:58 <DanC_jam> .google datum phenny

13:36:59 <datum> datum phenny: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-20.html

13:37:12 <DanC_jam> .g datum phenny

13:37:13 <datum> datum phenny: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-20.html

13:37:14 <phenny> datum phenny: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-20.html

13:37:23 <DanC_jam> .g phenny datum

13:37:23 <datum> phenny datum: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-05-16

13:37:25 <phenny> phenny datum: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-05-16

13:38:16 <crschmidt> you people must really be bored to tears :P

13:39:38 <Morbus> #swhack stops the tears, actually. it gives us something to fight the boredom of unexciting work.

13:41:06 <dajobe> I can always kick one

13:42:12 <chris-p> .g periperi

13:42:13 <datum> periperi: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?PeriPeri

13:42:15 <phenny> periperi: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?PeriPeri

13:42:21 <chris-p> mwahaha

13:42:31 <chris-p> that used to come up with something worthwhile...

13:49:01 <Talliesin> It's the swhackers fault.

13:49:07 <Talliesin> Curse those handsome devils.

14:39:08 <dajobe>http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/radek/pub/rap-oldakowski.pdf

14:39:09 <dc_rdfig> A: http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/radek/pub/rap-oldakowski.pdf from dajobe

14:39:19 <dajobe> A:|RAP RDF API for PHP paper (PDF)

14:39:19 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

14:39:42 <dajobe> so close to all 3-letter words there

14:40:01 <dajobe> A:by Radoslaw Oldakowski and Christian Bizer

14:40:38 <dajobe> A:see [http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/rdfapi|RAP RDF API for PHP]

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15:13:23 <dmwaters> {global notice} Hi all! I'm sorry for the interuptions, but it seems that one of our main US hubs crashed, and we had to do some rehubbing to work around that problem. As soon as the box comes back up I'll start looking into why it crashed... I'm sorry for the interuptions, and thank you for using freenode!

15:40:18 <dajobe> hey mmealling, were you in Mojave?

15:40:54 <mmealling> yep! wonderful time!

15:41:06 <dajobe> excellent, I'm jealous

15:41:33 <dajobe> the post-flight info seems to show it wasn't so straightforward

15:41:35 <mmealling> had fun hobnobbing with the likes of Elon Musk and Buzz Aldrin....

15:41:41 <dajobe> :)

15:42:31 <mmealling> well, for those that had been paying really close attention to the previous test data it wasn't completely unexpected. Its really hard to do active thrust vectoring using a cold gas RCS.....

15:44:11 <dajobe> ah, you've got pics from sunday

15:44:30 <mmealling> ah, you found the pics on my wiki?

15:44:35 <dajobe> yeah

15:44:39 <mmealling> hehe.... that sounded disgusting....

15:44:48 <dajobe> there http://rocketforge.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScaledLaunchPictures

15:45:15 <dajobe> random planes, lol

15:46:08 <mmealling> visiting a place like that will really make you want to finish up your flying lessons....

15:47:16 <dajobe> sigh, and be 20 years younger :)

15:47:50 <mmealling> well, Melville is 62 so that should be inspiration for everyone!

15:49:54 <dajobe> true

16:02:53 <jsled> cool pics

16:22:38 <dajobe>http://deri.at/publications/techpapers/documents/DERI-TR-2004-05-31.pdf

16:22:39 <dc_rdfig> B: http://deri.at/publications/techpapers/documents/DERI-TR-2004-05-31.pdf from dajobe

16:22:50 <dajobe> B:|Triple-based Computing, Dieter Fensl 2004-05-31 DERI

16:22:51 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

16:22:59 <dajobe> B:|Triple-based Computing, Dieter Fensel 2004-05-31 DERI

16:23:00 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

16:25:47 <jsled> B: Or is it "Triple-spaced" computing?

16:25:48 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.

16:42:05 <Talliesin> heh

18:08:27 <Morbus> Morbus is now known as boobies

18:08:56 <boobies> boobies is now known as Morbus

18:51:31 <Talliesin> Talliesin is now known as Tallieat

19:48:02 <Tallieat> Tallieat is now known as Talliesin

21:10:45 <chaals> danbri?

21:12:34 <danbri> charlie?

23:12:47 <botlars> botlars is now known as larsbot

23:29:35 <CloCkWeRX>http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66449

23:29:36 <dc_rdfig> C: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66449 from CloCkWeRX

23:30:07 <CloCkWeRX> C:|FOAF addon for vbulletin

23:30:07 <dc_rdfig> Titled item C.

23:31:25 <CloCkWeRX> C: Addon also available for phpbb, see http://www.ahsonline.com.au/dod/page.php?pid=news_2004-06-09

23:31:26 <dc_rdfig> Added comment C1.

23:33:42 <Talliesin> heh, "Cloud-Warrior", it's a long time since I've seen him use that name.

23:34:00 * Talliesin gets nostalgic for the dot-com era.

23:34:09 <CloCkWeRX> :P

23:34:32 <CloCkWeRX> bloody lazy phpbb mod reviewers still haven't listed it anywhere in their directories

23:34:47 <CloCkWeRX> and i'd have to brownnose soo much to get it into the CVS

23:34:58 <Talliesin> times change, but registered nicks never die.

23:36:16 * CloCkWeRX starts the blogging link swarming process

23:39:14 * CloCkWeRX loox for julian bond to pester with news of his applicationideas being implemented

23:39:31 * crschmidt :P at jbond

23:39:45 <crschmidt> no real reason

23:39:53 <CloCkWeRX> heh :)

23:40:07 <crschmidt> he got upset when i told him livejournal didn't have foaf:names it could use

23:40:22 <CloCkWeRX> n'aww

23:40:46 <CloCkWeRX> ah, so excited

23:41:04 <CloCkWeRX> the management committie finally approved my push for outsourcing crap to other sites

23:41:13 <CloCkWeRX> so i get to link them all up with myuid + foaf

23:41:24 <CloCkWeRX> + rss of course

23:44:21 * CloCkWeRX reads the triple spaced computing paper

23:44:58 <CloCkWeRX> i was kind of thinking about htis a little: i'[ve found that I can avoid web services a lot by just doing specific semantic web appplication interfaces...

23:49:22 <Talliesin> CloCkWeRX, I would define that as webservices also.

23:49:47 <Talliesin> Defining webservices in terms of SOAP seems to me like defining goods transit in terms of ass-drawn carts.

23:50:33 <Talliesin> Or at best like those sections in CS textbooks that say stuff like "nowadays computers have memories of a hunder kilobytes or more".

23:51:35 * CloCkWeRX amends

23:51:41 <CloCkWeRX> -web services + SOAP

23:52:37 <CloCkWeRX> do we know of anyone involved with (a) discogs (b) deviantart? i'd love to get them producing some usable RDF

23:53:14 <eaon> well you need nice ontolgies for music first

23:53:41 <eaon> at least for discogs

23:53:51 <CloCkWeRX> musicbrainz goes some of the way towards it, its a bit scattered, but at least a minimal interface in RDF for discogz would be uber handy

23:54:19 <CloCkWeRX> deviantart i might have a better chance with, they already do stuff like RSS of journals + geourls in profiles n stuff

23:54:40 <CloCkWeRX> so they aren't afraid of ideas :)

23:55:21 <eaon> yeah

23:56:12 <eaon> but i found deviantart is rather something for semi talented young kiddies, not sure if they're interested to write their foaf file by hand

23:56:29 <eaon> or are we talking about output only?

23:56:46 <CloCkWeRX> output only would be a start :P

23:57:23 <CloCkWeRX> but image how much the world wide foaf would expand if a site like that... :P

23:57:44 <eaon> hehe

23:58:03 <eaon> a friend and me made up our minds on how foaf could work with cellphones and bluetooth ;)

23:58:11 <CloCkWeRX> :) ooh

23:58:16 <CloCkWeRX> tell tell

23:58:19 <eaon> we shouldn't think so much we should do more :P

23:59:56 <Talliesin> CaptSolo is involved in deviantart I think.