Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2004-08-24

02:10:40 <inkel> inkel is now known as inkel|sleeping

07:34:50 <balbinus_> balbinus_ is now known as balbinus

08:44:01 <qmacro_work> qmacro_work is now known as qmacro

08:53:53 <gromgull> what is people's favourite introduction to the SW for your grandmother etc?

08:54:04 <gromgull> i.e. I don't want anything about URIs, triples etc.

08:54:41 <Cloud> TBL's Sci Am article?

08:54:54 <gromgull> the SW story :)

08:55:03 <gromgull> yes, maybe it's the best option...

08:55:22 <Cloud>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00048144-10D2-1C70-84A9809EC588EF21

08:55:36 <dc_rdfig> A: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00048144-10D2-1C70-84A9809EC588EF21 from Cloud

08:57:28 <Cloud> A:|The Semantic Web - "A new form of Web content that is meaningful to computers will unleash a revolution of new possibilities" By Tim Berners-Lee, James Hendler and Ora Lassila

08:57:29 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

08:57:49 <Cloud> A:Article in the Scientific American, May 2001

08:57:50 <dc_rdfig> Added comment A1.

08:58:47 <Cloud> gromgull - have you arranged your travel to Galway?

09:01:37 <Aredridel> dan.

09:04:34 <libby> heya jeen!

09:04:40 <jeen> hi libby

09:04:43 <jeen> how's things?

09:07:39 <libby> good ta

09:08:38 <libby> great to see you at foafcamp

09:08:48 <jeen> yeah it was fun :)

09:09:41 * libby still recovering

09:10:10 <jeen> that bad? oh you had the Foo thingy directly afterwards as well I think?

09:10:34 <libby> yeah

09:10:38 <libby> which was quite good too

09:11:51 <libby> some of the fooers ended up at a foam party (not me tho!)

09:12:31 <jeen> not my thing really, I prefer foam in my glass, no more than two fingers.

09:14:07 <jeen> btw does anybody have an electronic copy of the Forgy paper on Rete?

09:17:35 <dajobe> from 1982? I doubt it

09:19:12 <dajobe> not even the publisher it seems

09:29:36 <jeen> our library doesn't have it either

09:30:00 <jeen> oh well, enough secondary texts to do some brushing up with :)

09:34:12 <ear1grey> jeen: Closest I came to the original was: http://www.cis.temple.edu/~ingargio/cis587/readings/rete.html

09:34:36 <jeen> thanks, got that one

11:22:03 <CaptSolo> hi all

11:39:28 <balbinus> hi

11:50:39 <CaptSolo> salut

11:51:07 <balbinus> :)

11:51:39 <crschmidt> wmorning

11:52:04 <Emmy> hi all, hola balbinus y chrschmidt :)

11:52:08 <balbinus> hi

11:52:27 * crschmidt should get out of bed and get ready for work

11:52:30 * crschmidt doesn't want to

11:52:52 * Emmy poor crschmidt :) Go work!!

11:55:43 * balbinus could help crschmidt and kick him outta bed... if he weren't in europe :)

11:56:21 * crschmidt is trying to set up a local codepiction database in order to better understand it

11:56:42 <crschmidt> after which I hope to learn enough about the way ti works to rewrite wh4 in a way that uses local databases rather than a webapp

11:57:00 <crschmidt> so that you could just install the bot and have everything internal, rather than using a webapp to do your queries

11:57:44 <balbinus> that would be cool...

11:58:07 * balbinus is googling for other ports of Squish in other languages... :)

12:02:49 * crschmidt is wandering off now, will be back in about 30 minutes.

12:03:08 * Emmy go shower :)

12:08:25 <inkel|sleeping> inkel|sleeping is now known as inkel

12:14:28 * oommoo smiles slowly

12:37:20 <jeen> question: how many semantic web researchers are there? ballpark figure?

12:37:32 <jeen> (stupid EU survey thingy)

12:39:53 <danbri> good question. no idea.

12:40:25 <danbri> I can't give the addresses out, but I guess it'd be reasonable to share membership numbers for some w3c semweb-related lists...

12:43:19 <danbri> www-rdf-interest(704+80); www-rdf-logic(375+80); ...and then there's things like the Z39.50 implementors group, www-zig w/ 400 members.

12:43:25 <danbri> But traffic levels relevant too...

12:54:06 <jeen> so somewhere between 500-1500 would be a reasonable guesstimate I reckon?

12:54:40 <danbri> i'd caution against mapping those directly to 'size of community'

12:54:48 <danbri> active posters woudl be a better measure

12:55:05 <danbri> also some people are on several lists; i don't have figures handy around that issue.

12:56:06 <jeen> true

13:01:44 <swh_> swh_ is now known as swh

13:23:14 <DanC> .t JST

13:23:17 <phenny> Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:23:15 JST

13:23:20 <DanC> ugh.

14:48:14 <danja>http://dannyayers.com/2004/08/w3photo.xsl

14:48:16 <dc_rdfig> B: http://dannyayers.com/2004/08/w3photo.xsl from danja

14:48:39 * mortenf guesses at the purpose

14:48:45 <danja> B:| w3photo.xsl

14:48:46 <dc_rdfig> Titled item B.

14:48:56 <danja> heh

14:49:28 <mortenf> hmm, wrong

14:49:32 <danja> B: Converts w3photo RSS 2.0 'metafeed' to RSS/RDF/XML

14:49:33 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B1.

14:49:54 <danja> wrong? I thought you'd have guessed that one ;-)

14:50:28 <mortenf> well, my mind had another "part" of w3photo swapped in - see http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2004/08/photos/foafcamp/3/image-6.html

14:50:37 <danja> B: notes: http://dannyayers.com/archives/2004/08/24/w3photo-xslt/

14:50:38 <dc_rdfig> Added comment B2.

14:50:53 <mortenf> (work in progress)

14:51:00 <GregElin> ??

14:51:28 <danja> oo, lookin' good

14:51:38 <mortenf> :)

14:52:27 <GregElin> LOOKS GREAT!

14:52:30 <crschmidt> hm, buggy in firefox? the boxes all seem to not move with the image?

14:52:42 <mortenf> move?

14:52:42 <danja> note the boxes don't line up in Moz 1.6, screen width 1024 (I think)

14:52:51 <GregElin> I'm getting alignment off in Mozilla on OS X

14:52:52 <danja> ah ditto

14:53:14 <danja> not quite ditto - I'm on deb here

14:53:15 <mortenf> screenshots, tested with opera 7 and moz 1.something

14:53:36 <crschmidt> works in safari, although all the boxes are about 20 pixels too high

14:53:37 <mortenf> hmm, no, doesn't work here either with moz

14:54:30 <mortenf> bah, thought i had it working

14:55:37 <danja> same prob on firefox 0.9.2, win2k

14:55:50 * mortenf experiments

14:56:09 <mortenf> nah, better go read css spec for a sec...

14:56:20 <danja> heh, the boxes line up with the people's noses (i.e. a bit high) on IE6, win2k

14:57:28 <danja> also note on IE, the name popup only seems to work right on the edge of the box

14:57:39 <mortenf> hmm

14:57:42 <GregElin> recommendation: absolute position image, and absolute position all rectangles.

14:57:44 <danja> inside the box the whole list of names pops up

14:57:59 <mortenf> greg, right, but i was hoping to avoid that

14:58:09 <danja> bah, layout issues

14:58:24 <mortenf> danja, note that the a and img has a title attribute with all names

15:00:40 <danja> yep, it seems the img title through the hole takes precedence over the box tite\le

15:01:06 <mortenf> ah

15:01:10 <danja> ok, so how'd you do it?

15:01:15 <mortenf> view source :)

15:01:34 <mortenf> the html is generated from rdf with image regions...

15:01:35 <danja> I did, that's why I'm asking ;-)

15:01:51 <GregElin> LOVE IT!

15:02:03 <mortenf> in the external css, there are about 7 lines that starts with .imgreg

15:02:41 * mortenf tries some box border colors to understand what's going on

15:03:06 <danbri> tried mozilla's dom inspector?

15:03:24 <danja> how d'ya get from rdf -> html?

15:03:30 <mortenf> xslt, of course :)

15:03:55 <danja> heh

15:04:11 <danja> normalising first?

15:04:20 <mortenf> oh, and initial regions generated by masahide's page

15:04:21 <mortenf> yep

15:07:08 <danja> that reminds me - James Carlyle's got some XSLT that might be suitable to use for normalization

15:07:19 <mortenf> yeah, saw that, haven't tried it

15:07:37 <danja> around http://www.semanticplanet.com/2004/08/aBasicRDFXMLValidationStylesheet.html

15:07:59 <danja> got a link for masahide's bit?

15:08:29 <mortenf> .g image region rdf

15:08:32 <phenny> image region rdf: http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/sw/img-annotator.html

15:09:49 <danja> that google thing really is handy - I wonder if it's for sale...

15:10:35 <crschmidt> danja: for sale?

15:11:21 <danja> sorry, lame humour re. Google ipo or whatever you call it

15:11:27 <crschmidt> oh, heh

15:11:34 * crschmidt is not feeling so hot or so bright today

15:11:42 <danja> not the only one

15:27:20 <mortenf> how does it look now?

15:27:53 <GregElin> awesome in Camino on OS X!

15:28:15 <crschmidt> safari and firefox both like it a lot

15:28:18 <mortenf> great

15:28:20 <GregElin> and perfect in Safari. Absolute positioning?

15:28:26 <mortenf> no, relative

15:28:32 <GregElin> CSS Stud!

15:28:35 <mortenf> heh

15:28:47 <GregElin> and with an XLST. Excellent.

15:28:56 <mortenf> the ul with the li boxes follow the img and is relative -{imageheight}px

15:29:37 <mortenf> does the "popups" look ok too (on the top right corner of the small boxes)?

15:30:29 <crschmidt> yep

15:30:59 <mortenf> ok, great

16:10:45 <Cloud>http://rdfweb.org/topic/FoafGalway

16:10:46 <dc_rdfig> C: http://rdfweb.org/topic/FoafGalway from Cloud

16:10:52 <Cloud> A:|FOAF Galway Wiki

16:10:53 <dc_rdfig> Titled item A.

16:16:44 * sgass is away: I'm busy

16:18:32 <sh1mmer> hey John :)

16:24:12 <Cloud> Hi Tom

16:24:29 <Cloud> Things are creeping on :)

16:25:00 * GregElin tests connecting

16:25:36 <danja_> anyone got feeds featuring (annotated) photos?

16:39:16 <GregElin> I'm working on it.

16:40:05 <GregElin> http://w3photo.org has a feed, but I think it needs some work.

16:40:07 <dc_rdfig> D: http://w3photo.org from GregElin

16:43:07 <danja_> thanks Greg, got that one (see B:)

16:45:03 <crschmidt> B:

16:45:04 <dc_rdfig>http://dannyayers.com/2004/08/w3photo.xsl

16:45:05 <dc_rdfig> w3photo.xsl

16:45:06 <dc_rdfig> (1:danja) Converts w3photo RSS 2.0 'metafeed' to RSS/RDF/XML

16:45:07 <dc_rdfig> (2:danja) notes: http://dannyayers.com/archives/2004/08/24/w3photo-xslt/

17:36:27 <DanC> hi ndw

17:36:32 <ndw> Hi danc

17:36:42 <Aredridel> Allo, allo.

17:38:01 <ndw> Allo

17:38:34 * DanC can't remember what he wanted to talk with ndw about. oh well.

17:38:53 <ndw> Oh well. You know where to find me if you remember.

17:39:18 <DanC> on the ToMacOrNotToMac front, I ordered a mac.

17:39:35 <ndw> Hmm. I've just, just, just about commited to ordering a ThinkPad

17:40:49 * DanC thought he bookmarked a thinkpad recommendation...

17:41:25 <DanC> ah yes... http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7564 -> http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html/ref=cm_wl_topnav_rainbow-tabs/104-1808767-1021532?type=wishlist

17:41:34 <crschmidt> DanC: Which one did you go with?

17:42:06 <DanC> "15-inch PowerBook Combo-drive 1.33 Ghz/256MB/60GB" -- http://dm93.org/z2001/ToMacOrNotToMac

17:42:16 <ndw> The Emperor Linux folks are decking out an R50p

17:42:50 * crschmidt nods. A good choice.

17:43:07 <ndw> I see DanC's pointer is to a T41

17:43:14 <ndw> I can't figure out the distinction between T-series and R-series.

17:45:07 <DanC> I can't figure out a whole lot of things about PC laptops. "get a mac; it's easier than thinking" ;-)

17:45:27 <ndw> lol

17:45:55 * ndw sighs. DanC, can you fiddle some ACLs for me on the W3C server. /me mutters something evil about *,access* not working.

17:45:57 <DanC> the scariest thing is that the binding from product names to actual components is so fluid.

17:46:09 <ndw> Yeah, that's troublesome

17:54:44 <danja__> ndw, do you have an index for your photo annotation data?

17:55:24 <ndw> uh. what sort of index?

17:55:46 <ndw> you can get the whole RDF shebang at http://norman.walsh.name/knows/norman.walsh.name.rdf if that's what you mean

17:55:48 <danja__> pointers to individual photo RDF perhaps?

17:56:14 <danja__> the *whole* - won't there be rather a lot?

17:56:27 <ndw> For any given image, http:/.../images/x.jpg, there's an http:/.../images/x.rdf file.

17:56:36 <ndw> Uhm, yeah, it's rather a lot.

17:56:57 <ndw> Just over 3mb today. I forget how many triples it turns out to be.

17:56:57 <danja__> is there any list of images x.jpg?

17:57:04 * libby waves to danc and ndw

17:57:06 <ndw> Uhm...

17:57:07 * DanC looks forward to the day when everybody exports an RDF query interface to their data

17:57:19 * Aredridel too!

17:57:33 * Aredridel is working on making simple tools for doing it.

17:57:37 <danja__> ? rdf:type foaf:Image

17:57:38 * libby has one

17:57:47 * ndw plans to run the Jena web thing on nwn, but I haven't done it yet.

17:58:11 <ndw> Yes, danja__, if you grab the whole thing you can find the images that way. but I'm guessing you want a list of the URIs.

17:58:15 <Aredridel> Though as a conversion mechanism, being able to embed RDF in XHTML easily would be nice. Content-negotiation is dubious.

17:58:16 <ndw> Hi libby.

17:58:53 * ndw blushes. I haven't been much help for FOAF Galway, have I, libby? Anything I can (still) do to help (and to redeam my self esteem?)

17:59:39 <danja__> two parts to what I'm after - 1. existing photos (I guess I could grab the RDF and query locally)

17:59:42 <crschmidt> Hm.

17:59:49 <Aredridel> Ooo... http://norman.walsh.name/knows/norman.walsh.name.rdf ... Parse error on a%nn token with no semicolon. ... but entities of that sort aren't allowed there, are they?

17:59:53 <danja__> 2. new photos - how do they appear in your feed?

18:00:04 <ndw> Parse error?

18:00:27 <crschmidt> Is there any nicely packaged web app for doing storage of RDF? So I could just feed RDF URLs that I have locally, they could all be stored in a database for querying?

18:00:42 <crschmidt> That seems like it would be really useful.

18:00:45 <ndw> danja__: I don't have a feed of photos, but I can make one if you'd like

18:01:07 <ndw> %nn tokens don't need a semicolon. they're in URI

18:01:25 * ndw breathes sigh of relief

18:01:31 <libby> heh, np ndw, all seems to be running smoothly

18:01:36 * DanC looks for XML 2004 plans in/near http://norman.walsh.name/

18:01:44 <ndw> What's giving you the error, Aredridel ?

18:02:01 <ndw> DanC wants http://norman.walsh.name/2004/itinerary/ probably :-)

18:02:10 <DanC> yes...

18:02:26 <DanC> is that semi-hidden, or is there an inviting path from the homepage that I missed?

18:02:49 <ndw> It's semi-hidden. I don't recall that that was intentional though.

18:02:53 * ndw gives himself another action item :-)

18:03:32 <danja__> ndw, a feed for photos would be great

18:03:50 * DanC looks at http://norman.walsh.name/2004/itinerary/overview.rdf thru N3 glasses...

18:04:33 <DanC> </knows/taxonomy#PersonName;SeussDr>

18:04:36 <DanC> is that on purpose?

18:04:37 * ndw wonders what DanC sees

18:05:01 <ndw> Uhm, yeah. Well, kinda. I needed to encode index terms into URIs.

18:05:04 <`flaw> `flaw is now known as flaw

18:05:16 <DanC> <overview> :person </knows/taxonomy#PersonName;SeussDr>.

18:05:23 <ndw> Uh

18:06:02 <Aredridel> ndw: Gecko rendering engine.

18:06:15 <ndw> I think Gecko is wrong.

18:06:31 <Aredridel> Perhaps.

18:06:34 <DanC> hmm... can't see any RDF about "14-19 Nov, XML 2004, Washington, DC, US."

18:06:55 <ndw> DanC: Yes, that's intentional. You'll find a t:PersonName in there too. I've got a Dr. Seuss quotation on that page, so he's associated with it.

18:07:16 <Aredridel> Whoa. And a reload fixed it.

18:07:23 <ndw> xfer error?

18:07:32 <Aredridel> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

18:07:44 <ndw> I see, I don't have a travel request in yet, so there's no RDF for that trip yet.

18:08:06 <DanC> hmm.

18:08:19 <ndw> Yeah, that's sub-optimal.

18:08:23 <DanC> surely you don't generate the tables with the pink cells by hand...

18:08:35 <DanC> ... you just don't export the RDF from which it's generated? (understandable)

18:09:02 <ndw> The tables are a...PI if you want the honest truth. The actual days I'm on the road don't always coincide with any one event

18:09:43 <DanC> bonus points for a view-source/how-the-sausage-is-made link from http://norman.walsh.name/2004/itinerary/

18:09:56 <DanC> i.e. I offer bonus points.

18:10:06 * ndw adds *another* action item :-)

18:10:14 <libby> and points mean prizes!

18:10:57 <DanC> meanwhile, I'm wikimarking it under PathCross

18:11:20 <DanC> . http://esw.w3.org/topic/PathCross

18:11:58 <ndw> yes. I'd like to get the calendar data into iCal so it works better. I struggle and fail periodically.

18:11:58 <ndw> s/works better/works better for PathCross/

18:12:07 <danja__> ndw, I started a list on the wiki : http://esw.w3.org/topic/PhotoBlogFeeds

18:12:13 <libby> did you guys see the stuff happening on the new icalendar list?

18:12:45 <ndw> It's queued up, libby, but I haven't read it yet

18:13:10 * libby tried to poke nose in but they didn;t listen...

18:13:10 <DanC> Ivan has started working on formalizing http://www.w3.org/Promotion/Appearances/

18:13:10 * DanC wikimarked that under PathCross too

18:13:10 <DanC> "new icalendar list"?

18:13:12 <libby> just a new list to simplify icalendar and related stuff.

18:13:46 <DanC> did you give details in an earlier message to rdf-calendar?

18:13:50 <libby> yeah

18:13:56 <libby> hosted at osafoundation

18:14:24 <Aredridel> Oo, no.

18:14:27 <DanC> did you see I got about 2 screenfuls done in http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfCalendarDocumentation , libby?

18:14:47 <libby> oh, didn;t see

18:14:50 * libby looks

18:14:52 <DanC> New calendar mailing lists http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-calendar/2004Aug/0006.html

18:15:49 <libby> nice, danc

18:16:42 * libby been hacking on wh4, improving the home-made queries you can add to it

18:16:51 <libby> (bot)

18:17:39 <GregElin> Flash version of annotation reader by http://2entwine.com. Most recent flash required.

18:17:58 <GregElin>http://2entwine.net/fotonotes/

18:17:59 <dc_rdfig> E: http://2entwine.net/fotonotes/ from GregElin

18:18:58 <Aredridel> E: Very nice at first glance!

18:18:58 <dc_rdfig> Added comment E1.

18:19:44 <GregElin> Creators of this Wes & Dudley Carr, have sent me a recommendation for an xml format styled after Atom spec. Trying to compare that to ImgReg schema. (Note: the player won't be open source, at least for a while.)

18:20:02 <GregElin> Wes did an amazing job. If you click in the middle of a rectangle, you can edit the annotation.

18:20:21 <DanC> can you (ndw et al) see http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?auth=proxy&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2003%2F08%2Fkill-spam.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.w3.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftidy-if%3FdocAddr%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fpublic-webarch-comments%2F2004JanMar%2Fthread.html& ?

18:20:25 <GregElin> Right now, it uses Fotonotes XML, which needs to be update.

18:20:45 <GregElin> I'm asked for a password.

18:21:05 <Aredridel> Ditto.

18:21:32 <ndw> I got it up, DanC (with my member password)

18:21:39 <DanC> bummer... it's a view of public-webarch-comments with buttons for "this is spam"

18:22:30 <DanC> hmm... "Internal Server Error" when I actually try to use it.

18:22:41 <DanC> it's something dom and ot are working on.

18:23:09 <DanC> (I'm prolly not supposed to talk about it here, les dom and ot get unwelcome support requests)

18:23:18 <Aredridel> (Heh.)

18:34:25 * DanC links 4 Aug plans from http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfCalendarDocumentation , heads to a telcon...

18:47:26 <ndw> logger, pointer

18:47:26 <ndw> See http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-08-24#T18-47-26

18:49:10 * danja discovers why mozilla seems to have locked up : http://norman.walsh.name/knows/norman.walsh.name.rdf

18:50:01 <ndw> Yes?

18:50:18 <ndw> It might take a while to style that... :-(

18:55:49 * ndw grumbles. parkinn.com will only show me a hotel page if I'm making a reservation. what's up with that?

18:59:05 <ndw> Is there a bot here that'll tell me the telephone country code of Switzerland?

18:59:26 <libby> mine used to but I think it forgot that

18:59:56 <balbinus> +41

18:59:57 <ndw> Maybe their web site is smart enough to include it...maybe :-)

19:00:03 <ndw> thanks balbinus

19:00:09 <balbinus> np :)

20:29:20 <las> /msg nickserv help

20:29:43 <las> /help

20:29:56 <las> \help

20:30:06 <JibberJim> erk?

20:30:11 * las curses at her irc client

20:30:16 <JibberJim> hehe

20:30:23 <balbinus> firetalk??? dunno that :)

20:30:41 <las> fire is a mac IM/IRC client.

20:31:02 <balbinus> aok :)

20:31:03 <las> Very nice in wrapping everything all in one, but seems to be a slightly better IM client than IRC client.

20:31:29 <las> nickserv seems to think I'm not me, and I can't remember how to convince it otherwise.

20:31:47 <ndw> las: /msg nickserv identify <your password>

20:32:04 <JibberJim> but if you can't do /msg that's not much help :-)

20:32:11 <las> yeah, don't remember my password from ages ago.

20:32:20 <las> unless someone else has assumed my identity....

20:32:30 <las> /msg nickserv identify

20:32:43 <las> /msg seems to be spewing into the channel, though.

20:32:44 <ndw> las: try, /msg nickserv help

20:32:58 <ndw> Yeah, looks like leading '/' isn't doing what I'd expect

20:33:09 <las> Hence the cursing at the irc client :-)

20:33:09 * ndw came into this conversation in the middle. Decides to shut up. :-)

20:33:35 * las thinks ndw was very helpful, but unfortunately the irc client was inordinately obstreporous

20:33:41 <balbinus> can't /msg anyone?

20:33:54 <las> apparently the client just sends on the /msg s

20:34:01 <dajobe> some IM clients need enabling the '/' commands

20:34:03 <las> /msg balbinus trying to /msg someone....

20:34:24 <ndw> Can you receive them? Let's see!

20:34:46 * ndw gives las bonus points for using obstreperous in a sentence

20:35:43 <ndw> Oops

20:51:10 * las2 /msg nickserv help

20:51:31 * las2 /msg ndw I think I've got it!

20:51:31 <JibberJim> still no good?

20:51:45 * las2 Hmmm....are those msgs showing up in the channel?

20:51:51 * las2 I guess so. Ugh.

20:52:00 * las2 Now it looks like they're all /me 'd , though.

20:52:08 * las2 /me changes parameters....

20:52:34 * las2 hopes this fixed things....

20:52:44 <las2> Now I think I can send a real line of text

20:52:49 <crschmidt> yep

20:52:52 <ndw> Looks that way

20:52:56 <las2> Ugh....

20:53:11 <las2> OK, so now I know how to disable regular chatting :-(

20:53:17 <las2> Still no /msgs, though.

20:54:34 <las2> (And nickserv still thinks I"m not me. Or las, anyway)

20:56:57 <las2> /ns help

21:21:33 <ndw> ndw is now known as ndw^afk

21:28:37 * sanctius vous souhaite une très bonne nuit à tous et plein de beaux rêves dans les bras de Morphée ???