Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2004-08-31

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00:59:50 <tavino> tavino is now known as tav

02:22:44 <Aredridel> I am racking my brain, and I cannot remember the name of that wrapper around Redland's Ruby API that sounded so nice.

02:22:49 <Aredridel> Anyone know offhand what that might be?

02:47:23 <mattmcc> Aredridel: I assume you're talking about something other than http://rdf-redland.rubyforge.org/ ?

02:47:52 <em> semitar? http://semitar.projects.semwebcentral.org/wiki/wiki.pl ?

02:50:37 <Aredridel> That's it!

02:50:43 <Aredridel> Thank you.

02:56:22 <em> welcome :)

03:40:41 <DanC> cool...

03:40:42 <DanC> dirk:/usr/src/linux-mki# cat /uri/0install/zero-install.sourceforge.net/demo/test.txt

03:40:42 <DanC> It worked!

03:41:10 <DanC>http://0install.net/

03:41:24 <DanC> er... where's the chump?

03:41:29 <DanC> anyway... what did I have to do?

03:42:30 <DanC> I added this to /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://www-i1.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~joachimk/ debian/

03:42:59 <DanC> then installed apt-get install lazyfs-modules-source

03:43:19 <DanC> then, in /usr/src I did tar xzvf lazyfs.tar.gz

03:44:14 <DanC> then in /usr/src/modules/lazyfs I did: ./debian/rules configure

03:44:24 <DanC> then: ./debian/rules binary_modules

03:45:13 <DanC> et. voila, a lazyfs package was built in /usr/src/linux-mki : lazyfs-modules-2.6.6-win4lin_0.1.25-1_i386.deb

03:45:18 <DanC> installed that with dpkg -i

03:45:39 <DanC> then (after several false starts): useradd zeroinst

03:45:47 <DanC> mkdir -p /var/cache/zero-inst

03:45:55 <DanC> chown zeroinst /var/cache/zero-inst/

03:46:27 <DanC> and edited fstab... evidently, the kernel module and filesystem type name vary by kernel version...

03:46:29 <DanC> # grep lazy /etc/fstab

03:46:29 <DanC> # lazyfs /uri/0install lazyfs /var/cache/zero-inst 0 0

03:46:29 <DanC> lazyfs0d1d25 /uri/0install lazyfs0d1d25 /var/cache/zero-inst 0 0

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03:46:53 <DanC> then: mkdir -p /uri/0install

03:47:04 <DanC> and: apt-get install zero-install

03:47:15 <DanC> and finally: /etc/init.d/0install start

03:47:17 <DanC> and it's working!

03:48:20 <Arnia> 0install is very cool...

03:48:58 <Arnia> Would be nice to get a version of Gobolinux using it (the gobolinux filesystem layout seems particularly suited to this)

03:58:33 <DanC> hmm...

03:58:35 <DanC> Aug 30 22:57:34 dirk zero-install: Blindly trusting key for new site

03:59:02 <DanC> timbl was just ranting about how software installation should work, and 0install matches pretty well.

03:59:21 <DanC> I'm noodling 0install support for cwm

03:59:37 <Arnia> You mean, no installation at all -- Just Works :)

06:08:12 <qmacro_> qmacro_ is now known as qmacro

07:18:04 * Aredridel makes some major cleanups to RDF4R

07:49:43 * chaalsP900 waves

08:13:55 <balbinus_> balbinus_ is now known as balbinus

08:14:23 <Zenethian-> Zenethian- is now known as Zenethian

09:57:00 <dirkx> Anyone here going a) to Galway AND( b) passing by Schiphol OR c) Living in the Netherlands)

10:25:23 * dirkx Anyone here going a) to Galway AND( b) passing by Schiphol OR c) Living in the Netherlands)

10:31:40 * Cloud checks to see if we have any NL attendees

10:32:07 * dirkx Cloud: Appreciated

10:32:17 <Cloud> Nope :(

10:32:39 * dirkx Cloud: Shame - and kind of hard to guess who flies through schiphol.

10:33:00 <Cloud> Yeah :(

10:33:12 <Cloud> Have some Danish and German attendees, but dunno where they would be going from

10:50:41 <tav> tav is now known as tav|offline

10:52:45 <tav|offline> tav|offline is now known as tav

11:46:09 <Emmy> Good morning all :)

11:48:38 <balbinus> good morning emmy!

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13:03:17 <crschmidt> To those here that may understand RDQL: Should changing the ordering of the query change the results?

13:03:31 <jsled> crschmidt: pretty sure not

13:04:22 <balbinus> nope

13:04:57 <crschmidt> Does anyone here have a publically exposed RDQL interface against a MySQL store?

13:05:12 <crschmidt> er, throw Redland in there somewhere

13:10:59 <aharth> based on Jena/Joseki: http://seco.semanticweb.org:2020/

13:11:29 <aharth> RDQL over HTTP, with a bit of foaf data from the web

13:12:37 <crschmidt> aharth: thanks, i'll see if i can reproduce some of the bugs I'm getting

13:13:02 <aharth> crschmidt: i'm sure my repository has bugs on its own :/

13:13:08 <crschmidt> aharth: heh

13:13:17 <crschmidt> well, if we get the same bugs, then it might be a more common problem!

13:13:36 <aharth> what's your bug?

13:14:30 <crschmidt> two identical queries, other than ordering, return a completely different set of results

13:15:23 <aharth> sounds strange... is it the same query asked twice? or what's the difference?

13:15:40 <crschmidt> http://tinyurl.com/59elj v. http://tinyurl.com/5c25c

13:16:06 <crschmidt> the only change is the position of (?p2 foaf:nick ?nick2)

13:18:37 <aharth> strange... seems like ordering of the subgoals has impact on the matching triples

13:19:23 <crschmidt> I'm trying to come up with a more generalized query that i can demonstrate it with, since obviously most people don't have kiss:kissed relationships :)

13:19:52 <aharth> makes sense... interesting relationship though :)

13:29:51 <crschmidt> http://tinyurl.com/5jquk v. http://tinyurl.com/6cbep -- the only thing i added was the ?p2 foaf:nick and printed it, and it incrased the results by a ton

13:30:25 <crschmidt> (they'll both take about 15 seconds before they start loading, and the second one is gigantic, so you may want to just hit stop)

13:33:08 <crschmidt> er, first one, not second one. whatever :P

13:54:25 <aharth> heureka!

13:54:35 <aharth> sorry, wrong channel :)

21:24:39 <grirgz> plop

23:15:35 <crschmidt> phenny, tell libby i'm wondering if wh4 plans on coming back on any sort of non-experimental basis, as I'm wondering if I should change redlandbot's ! to something else

23:15:38 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on for you when libby is around.

23:17:23 <deltab> how about "redlandbot: "

23:20:46 <crschmidt> deltab: a bit lengthy to type on my phone.

23:21:23 <deltab> no tab completion?

23:21:32 <crschmidt> a cell phone? no tab.

23:22:22 <deltab> hehe

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