Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2005-03-02

00:17:46 <sh1mmer> ahoyhoy

00:17:59 <Emmy> hey sh1mmer! :)

00:18:07 <sh1mmer> Emmy!

00:26:58 * crschmidt waves

00:27:07 <sh1mmer> hey Chris

00:27:15 <Emmy> hola crschmidt :)

00:27:21 <sh1mmer> i wish I had some way to get down to where you are

00:27:25 <crschmidt> up.

00:27:30 <sh1mmer> yeah that too

00:27:32 <crschmidt> :)

00:27:36 <sh1mmer> wouldit be possibleto day trip?

00:27:46 <crschmidt> It's only an hour's drive

00:27:51 <sh1mmer> hmm

00:27:58 <crschmidt> But there's no public transporation north of the NH border, afaik

00:27:59 <sh1mmer> not that I have a car

00:28:04 <sh1mmer> does the t go that far?

00:28:05 <sh1mmer> ah

00:28:06 <sh1mmer> ok

00:28:07 <crschmidt> Is there any swig-related stuff going on any nights?

00:28:28 <crschmidt> Something where an under 21 could get in would be nice ;)

00:28:29 <sh1mmer> well swig finished today but a bunch of people are still a round for swbpd

00:28:38 * crschmidt nods

00:28:44 <sh1mmer> well if youare with enough older people they will probablynot care

00:28:49 <sh1mmer> or youcould just go for a meal

00:28:55 <crschmidt> I figured most people like danbri, libby would still be around

00:28:55 <Emmy> crschmidt: do you know Rob Yonaitis from NH?

00:29:00 <crschmidt> when are you staying til, sh1m?

00:29:05 <sh1mmer> sunday

00:29:06 <crschmidt> Emmy: Nope

00:29:12 <sh1mmer> leave around 8

00:29:20 <sh1mmer> well the flightleaves around 8

00:29:21 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: I'll try and get down there at some point either in evenings or on saturday

00:29:33 * sh1mmer apologises for the crappy space key on this laptop

00:29:43 <sh1mmer> crschmidt, that wouldbe awesome

00:30:19 <crschmidt> Emmy: First reference on Google is a macromedia page on captioning: is that right, or is there a different one?

00:30:37 <Emmy> is right :)

00:30:45 <Emmy> he is the CEO of HiSoftware

00:30:57 <Emmy> and I think that he is in Boston now

00:31:26 <crschmidt> ah, the second hit is a w3 mailing list link :)

00:32:21 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: any idea who I know that's still around?

00:32:26 <Emmy> and the 8 is a sidar page ;-)

00:33:01 <Emmy> creschmidt: maybe you know chaals ;-) that is in Boston now too

00:33:09 <crschmidt> looks like DanC is in the area, possibly

00:33:24 <crschmidt> Emmy: Only that he's always got those silly airport codes on the end of his name ;)

00:33:35 <Emmy> LOL

00:34:31 * crschmidt is interested with meeting, hanging out with danbri/libby and any other people who might be interested, for eats or whatever

00:34:37 <crschmidt> Just haven't had time to organize anything

00:35:09 <crschmidt> Sadly, my employer isn't pro semantic web, so it's an interest I have to explore during off duty time.

00:35:29 <sh1mmer> danbri, libby, steve harris

00:35:39 <sh1mmer> do you know hixie?

00:35:44 * crschmidt shakes his head

00:35:55 <sh1mmer> lots of semweb people though

00:36:06 * crschmidt nods

00:36:07 <sh1mmer> danc is here

00:36:21 <sh1mmer> sandro is here

00:36:38 <sh1mmer> so yeah. semweb people ++

00:39:43 * crschmidt wonders if there was going to be a # vs / discussion this week

00:40:30 * crschmidt waves to danbri

00:43:18 * crschmidt waves to sandro

00:43:43 <sandro> hey crschmidt ....

00:43:55 * Emmy waves to sandro and danbri too ;-)

00:45:05 <crschmidt> sandro: I was thinking of trying to gather people for an after-hours meeting of sorts so I could take advantage of the nearby aspect of all these typically right-pondian folks some night this week before they take off

00:45:29 <sandro> for who to attend?

00:45:32 * crschmidt wants to meet all the big important people who are shaping his future ;)

00:45:50 <sandro> heh heh

00:46:12 <sandro> I'm probably not available. *possibly* tomorrow night.

00:46:18 <sh1mmer> sandro, back homenow?

00:46:21 * crschmidt nods

00:46:36 <crschmidt> I'm just tossing it out there at this point: no idea how busy people are, or what have you

00:46:41 <sandro> Actually, Boston is home for me, but I have to go to Seattle on Thursday.

00:46:52 <crschmidt> ah

00:47:11 <sandro> ericP, yes, sh1m, at home w/kids trying to tickle each other on my lap

00:47:17 <sandro> s/ericP/er/

00:53:47 * sandro decides this is the trip for which to rent a portatble DVD player

00:54:37 * crschmidt points to the powerbook :)

00:55:05 <crschmidt> the 12" works great, lasts through a 3 hour flight playing a DVD without a recharge

01:16:31 <sandro> I'm looking at inmotion.com, seeing 7 and 9 inch models.

01:16:47 * Emmy good night all :)

01:20:37 <crschmidt> ^javaPlatform Nokia3650

01:20:46 <julie> Profile/MIDP-1.0, Configuration/CLDC-1.0, rdf:Bag

01:21:38 <crschmidt> ^commandinfo javaPlatform

01:21:38 <julie> Command javaPlatform: select ?bar where (?phone prf:component ?p) (?p prf:Model "%s") (?phone prf:component ?s) (?s prf:JavaPlatform ?j) (?j ?foo ?bar)

01:23:11 <crschmidt> ^ns prf

01:23:11 <julie> The URL for the prf namespace is http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/profiles/UAPROF/ccppschema-20021212#

01:47:03 <sh1mmer> hey bijan

01:47:06 <sh1mmer> where are you?

01:47:32 <crschmidt> 206.165.46.6, silly

01:47:49 <sh1mmer> heh

01:47:53 <sh1mmer> isthaat me too?

01:47:57 <sh1mmer> who ama i?

01:48:14 <crschmidt> no, you're 67.130.109.66

01:48:23 <sh1mmer> hmm.

01:48:33 <sh1mmer> different wifi hub or different hotel?

01:48:39 <sh1mmer> that is the question

01:49:33 <crschmidt> totally different providers

01:49:36 <crschmidt> so probably the latter

01:49:41 <sh1mmer> ja

01:50:44 <bijan> Morning

01:50:47 <bijan> I'm in Boston

01:50:51 <bijan> At teh harborside

01:50:54 <bijan> In my room

01:50:56 <bijan> Heading twoard sleep

01:51:05 <sh1mmer> oh

01:51:12 <sh1mmer> i was goignnto see if ytou wanted a drink

01:51:13 <sh1mmer> but ok

01:51:13 <bijan> You downstairs?

01:51:17 <sh1mmer> yep

01:51:18 <sh1mmer> lobby

01:51:25 <sh1mmer> doing swbpd stuff

01:51:31 <bijan> aha

01:51:37 <bijan> You be here for the next few days?

01:51:39 <sh1mmer> welcome to have a nightcap

01:51:40 <sh1mmer> yep

01:51:44 <sh1mmer> till sunday night

01:51:52 <bijan> Ok, then I'll pass and catch up with you

01:51:55 <bijan> I'm totally beat

01:52:01 <bijan> And if I come down, I'll get all talky :)

01:52:22 <sh1mmer> ok

01:52:26 <sh1mmer> goodnight

01:52:32 <bijan> Night

03:06:54 <libby>http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2005/03/01/

03:06:55 <dc_swig> A: http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2005/03/01/ from libby

03:07:17 <libby> A:|Photos from SWIG TP meeting 1 March 2005

03:07:17 <dc_swig> Titled item A.

03:26:19 <thirdsta> thirdsta is now known as ThirdStation

09:49:31 <dajobe> dajobe has changed the topic to: Notes from SWIG f2f: agenda http://esw.w3.org/topic/SwigAtTp2005 Semantic Web Interest Group hack-n-chat - UTF-8 charset please - Weblog: http://swig.xmlhack.com/ - Logs: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/swig/ - please identify with NickServ

10:32:33 <balbinus6> balbinus6 is now known as balbinus

11:18:45 <dajobe> dan, you so need an irc proxy

11:25:24 <danbri-laptop> what's a good one?

11:29:19 <josek> screen, e.g.

11:33:49 <danbri-laptop> screen's only good w/ text mode UIs, isn't it?

11:43:13 <zxv> hi.. i have this.. <xsl:template match="table"><table class="{@class}">...

11:43:32 <zxv> but i dont want the class attribute if there is no class set in the input, do i need to make an if for that?

11:43:37 <zxv> or is there a simpler way?

11:45:46 <KjetilK> zxv: I don't think this is the right forum for this, but I believe the answer is yes, you'd need an if for that

11:47:05 <zxv> do you know of a better forum?

12:04:10 <jeen> zxv, give #xml a try.

12:22:43 <josek> bandri2, yes, only with screen mode

12:23:02 <josek> but if you put your ssh connection inside screen and sleep it, it should work

12:23:28 <josek> not sleep it... well you guess what I want to say

13:05:44 <Mkflow> hi to all

13:43:50 <Mkflow> i don't understand a thing about the transitive roles in description logics

13:44:34 <Mkflow> if we allow transitive roles, we allow a new axiom for T-Box like trans(R)

13:45:06 <Mkflow> is it right?

13:48:18 <Cloud_> Cloud_ is now known as Cloud

14:36:59 <bandri> bandri is now known as danbri

14:43:06 <sh1mmer> ahoy

14:44:25 <crschmidt> morning sh1m

14:50:03 <sh1mmer> hi Chris

15:05:39 <sh1mmer> hey erim

15:06:01 * erim waves

15:06:54 <sh1mmer> in the tp room?

15:07:23 <erim> yep.... up in the front row as I got in late :(

15:07:52 * erim listening to interesting discussions re versioning

15:09:52 * erim woohoo at patrick comments re versioning

15:13:05 <sh1mmer> is anyone taking minutes someplace?

15:13:09 <sh1mmer> maybe w3 irc

15:13:52 <erim> good question sh1mmer, not sure...

15:14:22 * sh1mmer sciving to get work(tm) done but i would like to follow along

15:14:52 <erim> tom baker is at the mic talking about DCMI's versioning issue and the approach they've taken to manage the evolution of properties and classes

15:17:34 <sh1mmer> did he bring his tardis? :>

15:26:20 <jeen>http://www.openrdf.org/

15:26:21 <dc_swig> B: http://www.openrdf.org/ from jeen

15:26:34 <jeen> B:|Sesame 1.1.1 and Rio 1.0.1 released

15:26:34 <dc_swig> Titled item B.

15:27:16 <danbri> congrats, jeen

15:28:34 <jeen> thx danbri

15:29:05 <jeen> B: it's mostly bug fixes, but also some nice performance improvements.

15:29:06 <dc_swig> Added comment B1.

15:37:49 <dajobe> jeen: how do you feel about doing some additions to turtle?

15:38:31 <jeen> arjohn is the parser person really, but I'm sure he'd be interested. what kind of additions do you have in mind?

15:38:40 <dajobe> the """quoting"""

15:38:59 <dajobe> possibly some more things needed for dawg work, not quite clear what yet

15:39:58 <dajobe> see thread from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-talk/2005JanMar/0029.html

15:40:42 <sh1mmer> hey morten hey dave

15:40:52 <sh1mmer> ooh and jeen :)

15:40:55 <jeen> arjohn is not here anymore but I'll send him the link

15:40:56 <mortenf> hi tom

15:41:08 <jeen> I get a smile

15:41:09 <jeen> hi

15:41:12 <jeen> :)

15:41:25 <dajobe> jeen: thanks. I never promised it was stable but I'd like to check with people who are using it

15:42:23 <benja_> is there a reason to have chat events in a sequence rather than just having (_:channel x:chatEvent _:event)?

15:42:46 <crschmidt> to indicate they are ordered.

15:43:10 <benja_> dajobe: I'm using turtle too and would be very happy to see """ added

15:43:22 * mortenf too

15:43:25 <benja_> crschmidt: they have dates

15:43:37 <benja_> (i.e., second-precision times)

15:44:02 <crschmidt> that doesn't indicate in RDF that they're ordered though, only to a tool which consumes them

15:44:17 <dajobe> seconds are not enough

15:44:30 <dajobe> the chat logger has code to deal with multi-items per second

15:45:05 <benja_> it seems nitpicky to specify which came first sub-second, but ok =)

15:45:28 <dajobe> they are ordered when they come from the server

15:45:31 <dajobe> it's not nitpicky

15:46:11 <benja_> dajobe: I don't see how it matters to anyone, but that's opinion I guess

15:46:34 <dajobe> it matters because the results will be out of order or undefeined order

15:46:44 <dajobe> and a multi-line paste say will be nonsense likely

15:47:02 <benja_> dajobe: mhm, the latter is a good point

15:47:18 <dajobe> logger's mature code, so I've been there and done all this...

15:48:17 <dajobe> I have a standing offer to switch to a better schema and convert the data but nobody's come up with one.

15:48:29 <benja_> speaking of which, cvs.ilrt.org doesn't reply to my request

15:49:46 <dajobe> any particular request - give me a protocol or URI hint or something? ;)

15:49:58 <benja_> http

15:50:00 <benja_> ping

15:50:07 <dajobe> those are working

15:50:16 <benja_> (http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/)

15:50:27 <dajobe> hmm

15:50:48 <benja_> dajobe: tried from de (tdsl) and fi (funet)

15:50:52 <dajobe> nameservers are scrod

15:51:02 <crschmidt> i was gonna say, i can't `host` it

15:51:23 <benja_> ok ... can you give me the current IP?

15:51:39 <dajobe> that won't work, it's name virtual hosted

15:51:43 <benja_> ok

15:52:20 <crschmidt> btw, regarding chatlog format: I got halfway through writing the IRC schema way of doing it, but got bored

15:52:23 <dajobe> you can try 137.222.16.82

15:52:38 <dajobe> but I guarantee that will change in the next few months, so don't hold on to it

15:52:52 <benja_> crschmidt: IRC schema?

15:53:06 <crschmidt> ^ns irc

15:53:07 <julie> The URL for the irc namespace is http://crschmidt.net/ns/irc#

15:53:13 <crschmidt> julie knows all

15:53:28 <crschmidt> created mostly by Clockwerx

15:53:28 <benja_> =)

15:53:40 <crschmidt> (he's not around, so I can't tab complete his nick)

15:54:37 <benja_> dajobe: thanks

16:02:36 <benja_> hey, cvs.librdf.org resolves and works

16:06:04 <dajobe> we're looking into a networking problem

16:23:14 <benja_> the logger README seems out of date; 'perl logger PASSWORD irc://SERVER/CHANNEL' is not all the script expects at this time

16:23:37 <dajobe> do 'perldoc logger'

16:24:57 <benja_> dajobe: right, thanks

16:25:15 <benja_> I probably could've guessed, but that's nicer =)

16:25:28 <benja_> (guessed the parameter meanings, that is)

16:26:11 <dajobe> it's a mess, should all be options now but I never got round to changing it

16:26:30 <libby> xml: "we make your data fatter" :) (Jim Melton)

16:27:15 <libby> jim melton quoting chuck campbell

16:27:17 <libby> rather

16:40:32 <benja_> dajobe: how do you generate the index files for the swig log?

16:43:17 <dajobe> scripts I thought were in cvs

16:43:32 <benja_> there's 'indexly'

16:43:33 <dajobe> like the one called "rebuild-indexes"

16:43:44 <benja_> yes, that one too =)

16:43:50 <chrisc_> chrisc_ is now known as chrisc

16:43:52 <benja_> ok, I'll read source I guess =)

17:38:16 <benja_> hm, holdsAccount is not an IFP

17:38:22 <benja_> foaf:holdsAccount, that is

17:38:40 <benja_> we were discussing on #fenfire whether registered Freenode nicks could be used in the chatlogs

17:39:06 <benja_> so that different People nodes with the same nick could be smushed

17:39:51 <mortenf> i've suggested that it be made an IFP - but it depends on CIFPs (or whatever they're called now)

17:40:02 <benja_> CIFPs?

17:40:07 <mortenf> composite

17:40:10 <benja_> ok

17:40:21 <mortenf> you need nick as well as service home page to smush

17:40:25 <benja_> because otherwise we cannot identify the accounts with each other

17:40:34 <benja_> yep

17:41:08 <benja_> mhm -- I guess creating a vocabulary with 'registeredFreenodeNick' would be the way to go if we try to do this

17:41:20 <mortenf> right

19:14:27 <libby_> libby_ is now known as libby

21:10:21 <danbri-laptop>http://www.w3.org/Talks/2005/0302-proglets-Boston/all.htm

21:10:21 <dc_swig> C: http://www.w3.org/Talks/2005/0302-proglets-Boston/all.htm from danbri-laptop

22:31:44 <danbri-laptop>http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php

22:31:45 <dc_swig> D: http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php from danbri-laptop

22:32:07 <danbri-laptop> D:|FreeTTS - Java speech synthesiser

22:32:07 <dc_swig> Titled item D.

22:39:21 <bjoern_> C:|Is it possible to make mobile, accessible and skinnable client-side Web applications?

22:39:21 <dc_swig> Titled item C.