Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2005-03-19

00:02:12 <DanC> ndw? i'm having trouble reading http://norman.walsh.name/

00:02:25 <crschmidt> DanC: he mentioned earlier that he's saturated his cable line

00:02:38 <DanC> whoops

00:02:58 <crschmidt> not sure if he meant literally, or if he's just tired of hosting from home

00:03:48 * kpreid was just about to comment

00:10:31 <ndw> oops. fixed DanC

00:11:35 <sbp> he needed fixing?

00:11:46 * crschmidt fixes sbp

00:11:51 <crschmidt> there, now he won't be a smartass anymore

00:11:52 <libby> I love the snowman ndw

00:11:58 <sbp> heh, heh

00:12:04 * sbp doesn't trust crschmidt's patches all of a sudden

00:46:38 <sh1m> sh1m is now known as sh1mmer

00:49:01 <sh1mmer> does anyone know where there is a list of what the ints for node types mean in redland?

01:05:42 <crschmidt> RDf.py

01:06:53 <crschmidt> _node_types={

01:06:53 <crschmidt> 'NODE_TYPE_UNKNOWN' : 0,

01:06:53 <crschmidt> 'NODE_TYPE_RESOURCE' : 1,

01:06:53 <crschmidt> 'NODE_TYPE_LITERAL' : 2,

01:06:53 <crschmidt> 'NODE_TYPE_BLANK' : 4}

01:10:44 <bear> bear is now known as bear_pycon

09:37:30 <kota_> kota_ is now known as xkota

10:01:34 <xkota> xkota is now known as kota

10:26:59 <bballizlife_> bballizlife_ is now known as bballizlife

14:49:41 <kota_> kota_ is now known as kota

14:50:22 <sandro> morning, Bijan

15:02:31 <bijanp> Morning

15:02:55 <sandro> how's life?

15:03:18 <bijanp> well, aside from rampart illness and overwork...er...not as windy as I'd like?

15:03:37 <sandro> rampart == rampant ?

15:03:52 <bijanp> Yes, but with more rs and less n.

15:04:03 <bijanp> And a bit of a slope

15:04:06 <sandro> uhhhhh huhhhhhhh

15:04:07 <bijanp> bijanp is now known as bijan

15:04:11 * sandro backs away slowly

15:04:14 <bijan> You?

15:04:33 <bijan> Oh come on! You deal with the orthographically challenged every day!

15:04:54 <sandro> true

15:06:10 <bijan> How's the rules workshop going?

15:06:19 * bijan submitted way too late last night

15:06:28 <bijan> Not for the deadline, but for my own happiness :)

15:07:02 <sandro> Good. I was worried that we wouldn't get enough people, but of course *everyone* wait until the last minute. I think we're in great shape.

15:07:18 <bijan> Excellent

15:08:47 <sandro> I'm just dealing with the grotty work of getting them all neatly up on an access-controlled part of the web site, etc.

15:08:54 <bijan> Heh

16:32:44 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2005/03/position2.html is my attempt to rewrite position paper, danc

16:32:45 <dc_swig> A: http://www.w3.org/2005/03/position2.html from timbl

16:33:00 <timbl> ooops

16:33:03 <timbl> A:""

16:33:04 <dc_swig> Added comment A1.

16:33:08 <timbl> A=""

16:33:14 <timbl> A:=""

16:33:14 <dc_swig> Replacement must be a valid URL.

16:33:28 <timbl> A:="http://example.com/"

16:33:28 <dc_swig> Replacement must be a valid URL.

16:33:52 <timbl> A:=http://example.com/

16:33:52 <dc_swig> Replaced URL of A.

16:34:06 <timbl> A:|

16:34:06 <dc_swig> Titled item A.

16:34:48 <timbl> A1=

16:35:39 <LotR> A:=

16:35:40 <dc_swig> Replacement must be a valid URL.

16:35:45 <LotR> hmm

16:36:03 <sbp> A1:""

16:36:03 <dc_swig> Deleted comment A1.

16:37:15 * timbl wonders how to totally remove a chump

16:37:27 <sbp> not possible as far as I know, sadly

16:40:16 <bijanp> Find an interesting url and replace it :)

16:40:23 <chillywilly> hi

16:40:28 <chillywilly> wassup dudes?

16:43:26 <ndw> That position is 401, timbl

16:44:08 <ndw> Or maybe 403. Whatever "unauthorized" is :-)

16:44:21 <bijanp> bijanp is now known as bijan

16:44:31 <sbp> I get 401 now; I got 403 a few minutes ago

16:44:33 <timbl> I was just join to go and check wit surprise! yes, its 403.

16:45:11 <timbl> Sigh. I'll make it 200, and then I'll expect reviews from everyone who'se tried it :-)

16:45:56 <timbl> Actually it mentions Sean and Bijan

16:46:07 <bijan> Oh dear

16:46:08 <sbp> in the same sentence?

16:46:16 <bijan> I still don't want to read it, though :)

16:46:26 <timbl> No, my goodness, do you think I have no tact at all?

16:46:31 <timbl> "This may require [BP] attributing more tuple-like semantics to lists than they come with out of the RDF box."

16:46:38 <bijan> Hah

16:46:42 <bijan> Ok, I can read that :)

16:46:44 <timbl> Bijan parsion, private communication - that fair?

16:46:59 <timbl> s/parsion/Parsia/

16:47:02 <bijan> Well, except..

16:47:03 <bijan> Yes

16:47:04 <bijan> :)

16:47:13 <bijan> I was going to say, except for mispelling my name, sure

16:47:20 <bijan> :)

16:47:21 <sbp> Decentralized Architecture Group? never even heard of that

16:47:21 * timbl wondres sometimes about the extrapolation his fingers do

16:47:40 <timbl> oop

16:47:53 <ndw> Ah, the rules workshop. I bet that's going to be interesting.

16:48:01 <bijan> Hmmmmm.

16:48:03 <bijan> How much? :)

16:48:08 <bijan> And who gets to judge!

16:48:22 <sbp> "graphs literals and variables" -> presumably either "graph literals" or "graphs, literals..." but guessing the former since literals weren't added later to the language

16:48:38 <botlars> botlars is now known as larsbot

16:48:43 <timbl> indeed.

16:49:01 <timbl> It was "graphs as literals" and I tried to change it to "graph literals"

16:51:36 <sbp> "A built-in function log:semantics access..." -> "The built-in function log:semantics accesses..."

16:52:13 <sbp> "At no time either file" -> "At no time is either file"

16:53:05 <sbp> will the ?var syntax work for the example in "Functions using graphs", or will you have to use @forAll in the outermost scope?

16:53:06 <bijan> timbl, I realized that we bounced some cwm/pychinko integration stuff back to you

16:53:10 <bijan> But never heard back :)

16:53:43 <sbp> stray "og:notIncludes" in there

17:01:08 <timbl> stray?

17:02:02 <timbl> Good point about ?var syntax with nesting.

17:06:51 <timbl> Thanks for the feedback, folks.

17:07:26 <sbp> yeah, it appears as og:notIncludes<code>log:notIncludes</code>

17:07:40 <timbl> where/

17:08:00 <sbp> "Defaults: Use explicit domain", paragraph 3

17:08:06 <timbl> Amaya search didn't find it

17:08:08 <timbl> tx

17:08:20 <sbp> no problem

17:09:05 * sbp wonders why weakref'd file objects in python don't seem to maintain state

17:09:44 * chillywilly kicks thunderbird

20:06:27 <danbri>http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/6117

20:06:27 <dc_swig> B: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/6117 from danbri

20:06:42 <danbri> B:|ETech newsflash: strawmen are made of straw!

20:06:42 <dc_swig> Titled item B.

20:08:10 <danbri> B:I agree with plenty of what Clay says, but see these as motivators for the design we've taken with RDF (and RDFS/OWL, SKOS and supporting (Sem)Web tech. There's some miscommunication of goals going on here I think.

20:08:11 <dc_swig> Added comment B1.

20:16:11 <balbinus_> balbinus_ is now known as balbinus

20:31:26 <danja> evenin' all

20:31:28 <phenny> danja: 15 Mar 16:30Z <jsled> tell danja "fools gold" is perfectly awesome.

20:31:37 <danja> hehehe

20:31:42 <jsled> :)

20:31:45 <phenny> jsled: 12:43Z <crschmidt> tell jsled you probably knwo about http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_dev/675720.html?thread=7105672 already, but it sounds nifty to me

20:32:51 * danja discovers erc follows links nicely

20:35:49 <danja> that does sound nifty - flexible distributed authentication needed yesterday...

20:48:35 * danja discovers it's better to create a new frame and then join #emacs, rather than the other way around...

22:23:45 <grrrrr_> grrrrr_ is now known as grrrrr

22:27:56 <danbri>http://sina.sharif.edu/~abolhassani/courses/sw/index.html

22:27:57 <dc_swig> C: http://sina.sharif.edu/~abolhassani/courses/sw/index.html from danbri

22:28:45 <danbri> C:|Semantic Web Course (Spring 2005), Sharif University of Technology, Tehran.

22:28:45 <dc_swig> Titled item C.

22:30:49 <danbri> C:Nice to see semwebbery spreading...

22:30:49 <dc_swig> Added comment C1.