Semantic Web Interest Group IRC Chat Logs for 2005-07-05

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10:58:51 <bengee> any sparqlers around?

11:00:10 <stoni> bengee: for what do you need one?

11:00:34 <bengee> I'm trying to figure out how to get additional triples for a given bnode id that was returned on a 1st query

11:00:45 <dajobe> you can't

11:01:03 <bengee> ouch

11:01:14 <bengee> so I'd need IFPs or something?

11:01:14 <dajobe> bnodes are local names, you can't reuse them

11:01:25 <dajobe> hold on...

11:01:39 <bengee> or some regex..?

11:01:42 <dajobe> no

11:01:45 <dajobe> ifp would work

11:01:49 <dajobe>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jun/0039.html

11:01:50 <dc_swig> A: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jun/0039.html from dajobe

11:01:57 <dajobe> A:|Blank Nodes and SPARQL, comment by ronwalf

11:01:57 <dc_swig> Titled item A.

11:02:04 <dajobe> bengee: read that and the thread

11:02:42 <bengee> thanx a lot, dajobe, will do

11:14:09 <bengee> hm, guess I need some sort of a hack then..

11:17:53 * bengee is working on a little portlet which displays a list of events (most of them don't have IFPs), each linked to a "details" view.

11:18:18 <bengee> this won't work without explicitly specified bnodes..

11:19:02 <bengee> and it's such a simple use case...

11:22:02 <dajobe> if they are events without any identifying metchanism

11:22:08 <dajobe> ... er, how do you identify them?

11:22:20 <bengee> by rdf:type

11:22:21 <dajobe> that's not simple

11:22:28 <dajobe> each has a different type?

11:23:07 <bengee> nah, it's just a list of resources typed as ical:Vevent (+ subclasses)

11:23:29 <dajobe> that only tells you the class, it doesn't identify any individual

11:23:58 <bengee> well, it allows me to retrieve a list of events, no?

11:24:15 <dajobe> but they have no distinguishing properties that allow you to identify them

11:24:19 <dajobe> as you just said

11:24:23 <dajobe> so they could all be the same event

11:25:05 <bengee> yeah, of course, but I can live with duplicates

11:25:21 <dajobe> this isn't entirely helpful. I suggest you assign/invent a uri identity for them if you want to distinguish them and add it as an IFP property URI value

11:25:43 <bengee> they are partly aggregated...

11:26:17 <dajobe> gotta run. good luck

11:26:17 <bengee> I can auto-create URIs for description which are created via my local tools, though

11:26:25 <bengee> thx

11:33:29 * bengee tweaks his sparql2sql rewriter to support a proprietary "local_bnode_ids" parameter for now

11:34:20 <bengee> this will make my queries/app unportable, so let's hope DAWG finds a better solution ...

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12:11:25 <ronwalf> dajobe: What do you think of Andy's pre-binding suggestion? I think it has applicability outside of just bnode issues.

12:11:52 <dajobe> which one? giving bnodes a tag uri or something like that? that seemed ok to me

12:12:56 <ronwalf> No, the protocol one

12:13:13 <ronwalf> It lets you have template queries that you don't have to modify

12:13:19 <dajobe> can't chat, gotta run

12:13:21 <ronwalf> No escaping issues

12:13:23 <dajobe> for a train, actually

12:13:24 * dajobe ->

12:13:27 <ronwalf> darn :)

12:13:54 * ronwalf will have to buzz dawg-public-comments some more, then

12:14:36 <stoni> but what URI are u gonna use for blank nodes?

12:15:09 <ronwalf> The label the server returned would be fine

12:24:09 <ronwalf> A: See a more fleshed out [use case|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jul/0004.html].

12:24:09 <dc_swig> Added comment A1.

12:25:01 <ronwalf> A: And possible [technical solutions|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jul/0006.html] from Andy Seaborne.

12:25:02 <dc_swig> Added comment A2.

12:29:45 <stoni> I don't still completely understand all this thing

12:30:06 <stoni> it will take me some time

12:55:11 <karlcow> hmmm big news....

12:55:13 <karlcow> http://www.sharecast.com/cgi-bin/sharecast/story.cgi?story_id=495625

12:55:24 <karlcow> RDF moves into profit

12:56:01 <iand> time to retire

14:32:27 <ChrisJ> has anyone addressed the issue of possibly adding common sense reasoning to cwm? (such as weights)

15:24:29 <danbri>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0008.html

15:24:45 <danbri> no bot?

15:30:20 * danbri adds it to http://esw.w3.org/topic/SoftwareProjects

15:32:16 <ronwalf> Yeah, but bot died just before 11

15:32:20 <ronwalf> er

15:32:22 <ronwalf> the bot died

16:48:44 <timbl> ChrisJ, not that I am aware of (weights in cwm)

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19:12:26 <Wikier> hi

19:12:36 <balbinus> lo

19:12:49 <Wikier> someone from León?

19:13:18 <DanC> as in the place in france?

19:13:38 <Wikier> no

19:13:42 <Wikier> in Spain

19:14:02 <Ismael> Wikier what do you need to know about León?

19:14:44 <Wikier> Ismael: someone tell me that at león are a SWIG

19:14:55 <Wikier> I'm from Oviedo

19:15:41 <Wikier> (near of León)

19:18:27 <Ismael> Wikier hum, conozco a bastante gente de León, pero casi todos linuxeros y no recuerdo haber oído hablar de actividad en SW allá. supongo que me habría llamado la atención

19:18:51 <Ismael> pero no quiero decir que no la haya, solo que no me consta :)

19:19:46 <Wikier> vale

19:20:00 <Wikier> es que tampoco me fio mucho del comentario que me habian hecho

19:20:11 <Wikier> seguiré moviendo hilos a ver si localizo algo

19:20:14 <Ismael> has preguntado en ws-ayuda?

19:20:32 <Wikier> por aqui se esta moviendo algo, con la Fundación CTIC y la oficina española del W3C a la cabeza

19:20:48 <Wikier> Ismael: no, tampoco es pa nada en especial

19:20:58 <Wikier> era simple curiosidad a ver que se movia por aqui cerca

19:21:01 <Wikier> ips

19:21:15 <Wikier> sorry if we can speak in spanish here

19:21:21 <Wikier> sorry if we can't speak in spanish here

19:21:40 <Ismael> Wikier qué haceis en CTIC?

19:21:45 <Ismael> tengo ganas de saber más de vosotros

19:22:10 <Wikier> Ismael: la Fundación CTIC alberga la oficina española del W3C

19:22:19 <Wikier>http://www.fundacionctic.org/

19:22:31 <Wikier> yo estoy a la espera de que me contesten de una beca de WS

19:22:51 <Ismael> se lo de la oficina

19:22:58 <Ismael> pero quería sbaer qué más actividades tienen

19:23:06 <Wikier> pos un poco de todo

19:23:15 <Wikier> ahora arrancan varias cosas

19:23:17 <Ismael> qué posibilidades de financiar proyectos o de conseguir más financiación

19:23:24 <Wikier> WS, CSS3 y SVG

19:23:33 <Wikier> Ismael: estan pagando becas

19:23:36 <Ismael> sólo tecnologías puramente web?

19:23:36 <Wikier> de 12.000/año

19:23:47 <Ismael> no están mal para ser becas en oviedo

19:23:50 <Ismael> las he visto peores

19:23:51 <Wikier> l amaytoria financiadas por cajAstur

19:23:58 <Ismael> humm

19:24:29 <Ismael> es que las cajas tienen pasta para aburrir

19:24:58 <Wikier> Ismael: no demasiada

19:25:02 <Wikier> pero bueno, algo va saliendo

19:25:36 <Wikier> por ej: http://www.cesaracebal.com/investigacion/css/beca.pdf

19:26:23 <Ismael> yepa

19:26:29 <Ismael> el navegador sera amaya ¿Verdad?

19:26:49 <Wikier> Ismael: esa en concreto creo que es tratar de hacer algo integrable con mas navegadores

19:26:53 <Wikier> por ej Firefox

19:27:05 <Wikier> conozco uno de los candidatos bien posicionados

19:27:10 <Wikier> mandrivero xD

19:27:10 <Ismael> en serio?

19:27:21 <Ismael> seria una alegria enorme

19:27:38 <Ismael> porque hasta ahora el w3c ha sido muy conservador en cuanto a las tec web y amaya

19:27:42 <Ismael> (y firefox)

19:27:52 <balbinus> oh... aqui también hay una invasion espa~nola :)

19:28:13 <Wikier> como que "aquí también" :-?

19:28:25 <balbinus> que hubo otra en #accessibility :)

19:28:28 <balbinus> pero no importa :)

19:28:41 <Ismael> ;)

19:28:46 <balbinus> :)

19:29:00 <Ismael> Wikier las bases están cojonudas, pero sólo deberían sugerir firefox

19:29:06 <Ismael> le daria una colleja al autor

19:29:06 <Ismael> :D

19:29:09 <Wikier> balbinus: por aqui se está moviendo mucho la accesibilidad

19:29:10 <Wikier>http://www.euitio.uniovi.es/actividades/conferencias.php?key=179

19:29:20 <Wikier>http://euitio178.ccu.uniovi.es/foros/viewforum.php?f=51

19:29:41 <Wikier> Ismael: el autor (Acebal) es profesor mio

19:29:42 * DanC tries to follow... hmm... "hubo"

19:30:20 <DanC> sigh... I used to be able to read spanish

19:30:36 <balbinus> :)

19:30:40 <Wikier> xD

19:30:50 <Ismael> DanC and I was supposed to understand English X-)

19:30:56 <balbinus> well, fortunately I am... it's partly what saved my exams :)

19:31:11 <balbinus> Wikier: y conoces el Seminario SIDAR?

19:31:12 <Wikier> bye

19:31:18 <Wikier> I'll come in an hour

19:31:41 <balbinus> see you

19:31:47 <Ismael> Wikier quien es, digamos, el director del CTIC, la persona con la que hablar

19:31:48 <Ismael> ?

19:31:56 <Wikier> Ismael: director?

19:32:03 <Wikier> yo conozco al director de I+D+I

19:32:11 <Ismael> sip, o quien parta el bacalao

19:32:16 <Wikier> un amigo mio está haciendo un proyecto de WS para el BOPA

19:32:22 <Wikier> hablamos luego

19:32:24 <Ismael> bopa?

19:32:25 <Ismael> okis

19:32:36 <Wikier> Boletin Ofilial del Prinipado de Asturias

19:32:42 <Wikier> algo parecido al BOE

19:32:44 <Wikier> bye

19:32:47 <Ismael> entiendo, taluego

19:32:56 <Wikier> Wikier is now known as WikierOFF

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20:07:58 <ctjctj> Excuse me, I'm switching from PSGML mode in emacs to nxml mode. Right now I'm doing this to write some notes in xhtml with mathml pieces. Where do I find support for mathml for nxml? I think I'm looking for mathml.rnc

20:18:05 <Srekel> sorry to disturb you, but I'm looking for an irc channel for swig.org

20:18:16 <Srekel> anyone know if there is one?

20:26:44 <WikierOFF> WikierOFF is now known as Wikier

20:46:33 <ronwalf> A: Continuing the saga, a [response| http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jul/0008.html] to Andy's technical solutions.

20:47:02 <ronwalf> darn, still no bot

21:02:22 <ctjctj> Excuse me, I'm switching from PSGML mode in emacs to nxml mode. Right now I'm doing this to write some notes in xhtml with mathml pieces. Where do I find support for mathml for nxml? I think I'm looking for mathml.rnc

21:41:21 * dajobe-lap can't tell why/who killed dc_swig this time

21:46:26 <ctjctj> Excuse me, I'm switching from PSGML mode in emacs to nxml mode. Right now I'm doing this to write some notes in xhtml with mathml pieces. Where do I find support for mathml for nxml? I think I'm looking for mathml.rnc

21:48:14 <KjetilK> ctjctj: While many here (including me) uses nxml-mode, I don't think this is the right channel

21:48:57 <ctjctj> Ok. I did google searches and this was as close as I came. Thanks anyway.

21:49:09 <dajobe-lap> i've never heard of a relaxng for mathml, myself

21:49:09 <KjetilK> ctctj: Perhaps #xml is better

21:49:16 <dajobe-lap> maybe jing can convert a dtd?

21:49:26 <dajobe-lap> or can nxml use dtds?

21:49:41 <dajobe-lap> I mean trang

21:50:00 <dajobe-lap> looks like it can: usage: trang [-I rng|rnc|dtd|xml] [-O rng|rnc|dtd|xsd] ...

21:51:52 <ctjctj> Thank you for the pointers.

23:12:32 <DanC> openID hit /. today

23:12:40 * DanC just sent a pile of comments to www-archiv

23:13:27 <DanC> oops... looks like it originally hit /. on 19 May