W3C Web Ontology Working Group IRC Chat Logs for 2002-05-30

15:01:10 Users on #webont: @logger_1

15:43:08 * RRSAgent is logging

15:43:12 <DanC_> Zakim, this will be WEBO

15:43:17 <Zakim> ok, DanC_

15:43:39 <DanC_> DanC_ has changed the topic to: 30May WebOnt WG http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/

15:49:11 <raphael> Hi -

15:49:17 <DanC_> hi

15:49:26 <raphael> DanC_ do you know how to scribe ? any special requirements

15:51:26 <schreiber> hi, pahael, I hope we can do the roll call via Zakim

15:51:36 <raphael> Hi guus, any special requirements for the scribing ???

15:52:15 <raphael> Is the conference bridge already open ?

15:52:17 <schreiber> not really, main points are to record the actions/decisions

15:52:35 <raphael> OK. Send the first draft to the list or directly to you ?

15:56:30 <DanC_> logger_1, pointer?

15:56:30 <DanC_> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/webont/2002-05-30#T15-56-30

15:56:33 <DanC_> RRSAgent, pointer?

15:56:35 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/05/30-webont-irc#T15-56-33

15:56:55 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has now started

15:57:00 <Zakim> +JHendler

15:57:04 <schreiber> raphael, you can send the first draft directly to the list

15:57:17 * DanC_ fixes ACLs of log...

15:57:49 <Zakim> +??P0

15:58:27 <jhendler> zakim, ??P0 is Guus

15:58:28 <Zakim> +Guus; got it

15:58:29 <Zakim> +??P7

15:58:46 <DanC_> Guus, did you cite last meeting's minutes from the agenda?

15:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.408.732.aaaa

15:58:49 <Zakim> +??P11

15:58:50 <jhendler> zakim, ??P7 is JohnStant

15:58:53 <Zakim> +JohnStant; got it

15:59:11 <jhendler> zakim, ??P11 is raphael

15:59:12 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it

15:59:22 <jhendler> zakim, aaaa is jonDale

15:59:25 <Zakim> +JonDale; got it

15:59:26 * DanC_ looks for records from last week...

15:59:32 <jhendler> zakim, who is here

15:59:34 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'

15:59:36 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?

15:59:38 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael

15:59:47 <Zakim> +Massimo

16:00:15 <DanC_> 23May minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/0201.html

16:00:19 <Zakim> +Stein

16:00:25 <Zakim> +??P14

16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.484.892.aabb

16:00:41 <Zakim> +??P21

16:00:48 <jhendler> zakim,??p14 is Evan

16:01:09 <Zakim> +??P22

16:01:15 <jono> hello

16:01:15 <jhendler> zakim,??p21 is Larry

16:01:32 <jhendler> zakim, who is here

16:01:34 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?

16:01:34 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'

16:01:35 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, ??P14, +1.484.892.aabb, ??P21, ??P22

16:01:43 <Zakim> +DanC

16:01:44 <Zakim> -??P22

16:01:50 <Zakim> +??P3

16:01:55 <Zakim> +??P12

16:02:12 <DanC_> Zakim, who's here?

16:02:13 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, ??P14, +1.484.892.aabb, ??P21, DanC, ??P3, ??P12

16:02:30 <Zakim> +??P20

16:03:07 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P20 is JosD

16:03:08 <Zakim> +JosD; got it

16:03:13 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P21 is JeffH

16:03:15 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it

16:03:50 <Zakim> +??P22

16:03:57 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P12 is DavidT

16:03:58 <Zakim> +DavidT; got it

16:04:08 <DanC_> Zakim, who's here?

16:04:09 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, ??P14, +1.484.892.aabb, JeffH, DanC, ??P3, DavidT, JosD, ??P22

16:04:17 <Zakim> +??P24

16:04:18 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P3 is LibbyM

16:04:19 <Zakim> +LibbyM; got it

16:04:27 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P24 is ZivH

16:04:28 <Zakim> +ZivH; got it

16:04:35 <DanC_> Zakim, who's here?

16:04:36 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, ??P14, +1.484.892.aabb, JeffH, DanC, LibbyM, DavidT, JosD, ??P22, ZivH

16:04:47 <Zakim> +??P25

16:05:00 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P25 is LarryE

16:05:01 <Zakim> +LarryE; got it

16:05:07 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P22 is Wallace

16:05:09 <Zakim> +Wallace; got it

16:05:12 <DanC_> Zakim, who's here?

16:05:13 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, ??P14, +1.484.892.aabb, JeffH, DanC, LibbyM, DavidT, JosD, Wallace, ZivH, LarryE (muted)

16:05:31 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P14 is JeremyC

16:05:33 <Zakim> +JeremyC; got it

16:05:48 <DanC_> oops... I should have used "is perhaps JeremyC" and so on.

16:06:09 <Zakim> + +1.703.883.aacc

16:06:18 <DanC_> Zakim, aacc is LeoO

16:06:20 <Zakim> +LeoO; got it

16:06:31 <jhendler> regrets Dean, Finin, Gibbins, Hellman, Klein, McGuinness, Smith, sabbouh, vanHarmelen

16:07:04 <DanC_> er... any reason not to cite the schedule proposal?

16:07:10 <Zakim> + +1.416.595.aadd

16:07:25 <DanC_> # ALL: WG schedule Guus Schreiber (Wed, Mar 27 2002) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Mar/0313.html

16:07:27 <Zakim> + +1.613.637.aaee

16:07:33 <DanC_> Zakim, aadd is ChrisWelty

16:07:34 <Zakim> +ChrisWelty; got it

16:07:46 <DanC_> Zakim, aaee is IanH

16:07:47 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

16:08:15 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?

16:08:17 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo (muted), Stein, JeremyC, +1.484.892.aabb, JeffH, DanC, LibbyM, DavidT, JosD, Wallace, ZivH, LarryE (muted), LeoO,

16:08:18 <Zakim> ... ChrisWelty, IanH

16:09:47 <Zakim> +??P30

16:09:49 <DanC_> hm... DDeR... ah... D.C. De Roure

16:09:57 <Zakim> +NickG

16:10:10 <DanC_> did you just dial in, D.C.?

16:10:17 <DDeR> Yes I did Dan, thanks

16:10:48 <DDeR> I'm acting as Nick G's alternate - he's moving house - but I'm time-limited

16:11:18 <Zakim> -IanH

16:12:39 * las isn't sure what I made my way through.....

16:13:55 <jono> danC: I would say by the 26th; that should give the caterers enough time to adjust food requirements

16:14:00 <DanC_> many of these documents are (finally) cited from the WG home page. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/#Current

16:14:29 <Zakim> +??P29

16:14:36 <DanC_> registration closes 26Jun; ok. Wanna pad that? you'll *start* getting registrations on whatever deadline you set.

16:15:01 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P29 is perhaps IanH

16:15:02 <Zakim> +IanH?; got it

16:15:09 <Zakim> +Jonathan.Borden

16:15:31 <DanC_> this one, yes? http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/webont/compliance.html

16:16:16 <jono> danc: whatever you think appropriate, that's kind of the minimum date I would expect the caterers to need - what about the friday before that - the 21st?

16:16:28 <DanC_> yeah, let's say 21st

16:18:52 * las thinks that it's important but also doubts she can meet the timetable required!

16:21:15 <DanC_> hmm... so this one isn't the right one. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/att-0173/01-owl.html

16:22:07 <DanC_> this one? 22May http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/0178.html

16:22:54 <jhendler> regrets - Enrico Motta.

16:23:03 <DanC_> where there *any* substantive comments, Jeff?

16:25:44 <Zakim> +??P35

16:29:27 * DanC_ q+

16:29:30 * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue

16:33:25 * DanC_ searches for records of inverseOf discussion at the ftf

16:34:06 <DanC_> "08:54:03 [nmg]

16:34:06 <DanC_> pfps: removal of inverseOf was on the basis of complexity of inference"

16:34:41 <DanC_>http://www.w3.org/2002/04/08-webont-irc

16:35:07 <DanC_> other issue: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#5.1-Unifo

16:36:58 <DanC_> woohoo! we closed an issue!

16:42:27 <JonB> q+

16:42:30 * Zakim sees DanC, JonB on the speaker queue

16:42:47 * JonB has experience with XML schemas and RDF

16:43:34 <las> If restrict sibling toclass person, then sibling subset person, right?

16:43:36 <JonB> w.r.t. W3C voting mechanism, this appears to exclude invited experts

16:44:06 <JonB> which is ok by me if you don't care for my opinion in a straw poll

16:44:29 <DanC_> no, that was a bug, Jon. You're authorized to contribute.

16:45:31 <DanC_> I fixed the bug.

16:45:37 <JonB> thx

16:45:38 * las wouldn't know what to suggest....

16:46:19 <DanC_> pls do register, btw, jon.

16:46:23 <DanC_> for the ftf.

16:46:43 <jhendler> classHasProperty and ClassInstanceHasProperty ??

16:47:21 <DanC_> 27May DTTF thingy: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002May/0229.html

16:48:44 <Zakim> -ChrisWelty

16:52:38 <Massimo> q+

16:52:39 * Zakim sees DanC, JonB, Massimo on the speaker queue

16:52:46 <JonB> q-

16:52:47 * Zakim sees DanC, Massimo on the speaker queue

16:54:38 <Massimo> q-

16:54:39 * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue

16:54:54 <jhendler> ack DanC

16:54:55 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

16:58:05 <JonB> http://www.openhealth.org/WOWG/DTTF is URI for amended document

16:58:55 <JonB> q+

16:58:56 * Zakim sees JonB on the speaker queue

17:04:26 <jhendler> ack JonB

17:04:29 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

17:05:44 <Massimo> q+

17:05:45 * Zakim sees Massimo on the speaker queue

17:07:49 <jhendler> ack massimo

17:07:50 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

17:09:18 <pfps> I know why I didn't use XSV. I couldn't see how to run a schema in XSV, i.e., use a schema to determine whether an XML document was valid int he schema.

17:09:53 <schreiber> zakim, q

17:09:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'q', schreiber. Try /msg Zakim help

17:10:00 <schreiber> q?

17:10:01 <jhendler> q

17:10:01 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

17:10:27 <DanC_> you can get going pretty easily by putting a pointer to your schema and a pointer to your example document into http://www.w3.org/2001/03/webdata/xsv

17:10:55 <DanC_> running xsv locally on your desktop is more involved; I've never actually done it.

17:11:04 <DanC_> I know other folks have.

17:12:03 <jhendler> zakim, who is here

17:12:04 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'

17:12:06 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?

17:12:07 <Zakim> I see JHendler, Guus, JohnStant, JonDale, Raphael, Massimo, Stein, JeremyC, +1.484.892.aabb, JeffH, DanC, LibbyM, DavidT, JosD, Wallace, ZivH, LarryE (muted), LeoO, ??P30, NickG,

17:12:10 <Zakim> ... IanH?, Jonathan.Borden, ??P35 (muted)

17:12:40 <pfps> Ah ha! I didn't notice that you could do validation on the interface.

17:16:29 <Zakim> -LarryE

17:16:37 <Zakim> -JeremyC

17:16:38 <Zakim> -Stein

17:16:39 <Zakim> -DavidT

17:16:41 <Zakim> -JeffH

17:16:41 <Zakim> -LeoO

17:16:42 <Zakim> -Jonathan.Borden

17:16:43 <Zakim> -ZivH

17:16:44 <Zakim> -Wallace

17:16:45 <Zakim> -LibbyM

17:16:46 <Zakim> -??P35

17:16:47 <Zakim> -DanC

17:16:50 <Zakim> -Guus

17:16:52 <Zakim> -Raphael

17:16:53 <Zakim> -??P30

17:16:55 <Zakim> -IanH?

17:16:58 <Zakim> -Massimo

17:17:01 <Zakim> -JHendler

17:17:02 <Zakim> - +1.484.892.aabb

17:17:04 <Zakim> -JohnStant

17:17:18 <Zakim> -NickG

17:17:33 <Zakim> -JosD

17:18:01 <Zakim> -JonDale

17:18:04 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended