W3C Web Ontology Working Group IRC Chat Logs for 2002-06-13

15:01:06 Users on #webont: @logger_1

15:36:11 <DanCon> DanCon has changed the topic to: 13Jun WebOnt. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/

15:36:21 <DanCon> Zakim, this will be WEBO

15:36:23 <Zakim> ok, DanCon

15:36:31 * RRSAgent is logging

15:49:47 * DanCon waves to Jeff

15:49:51 <heflin> Hi Dan

15:51:01 <DanCon> wow... IRC works from italy, Jim?

15:54:01 <jhendler> dan - where you been, we've been ircing and chumping on rdfig for a couple of days

15:54:48 <DanCon> do you expect to have IRC and phone during the telcon?

15:55:05 <jhendler> what is good is that we've set it up so we can irc and still call

15:55:18 <jhendler> yup

15:55:45 <jhendler> there may be delayes in the chat - don't count on it being real-time - we get occasional "block outs" for a few minutes

15:58:01 <jhendler> dan - weird phone problem - Ian's phone provided thinks "#" means end call, and we cannot do the code for zakim - is there another way to solve this?

15:58:08 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has now started

15:58:15 <Zakim> +John.Stanton

15:59:05 <Zakim> + +1.484.892.aaaa

15:59:22 <jhendler> zakim, aaaa is jeffH

15:59:23 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it

15:59:42 <Zakim> +NickG

15:59:57 <Zakim> +??P31

16:00:23 <DanCon> er... dunno about # problem, Jim

16:00:43 <Zakim> +Marwan.Sabbouh

16:01:01 <jhendler> thanks - we're going to try direct call (bridge says one can use *0 for an operator, but it isn't working)

16:01:36 <Zakim> +DanC

16:02:14 <Zakim> +M.Smith

16:02:37 <Zakim> -M.Smith

16:02:38 <Zakim> +Evan.Wallace

16:02:52 <Zakim> +??P35

16:03:16 <jhendler> iswc group having trouble - cannot figure it out yet - will keep trying

16:03:19 <Zakim> +??P0

16:03:21 <Zakim> +M.Smith

16:03:25 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?

16:03:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith

16:03:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1

16:04:15 <jhendler> zakim, who is here uniquely

16:04:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is here uniquely', jhendler. Try /msg Zakim help

16:06:01 <jhendler> we are on holdwaiting for an operator at MIT - have been for a while - music is awful

16:06:10 <jhendler> DanC anyone we can ping?

16:06:13 <DanCon> MIT operator? how did you get that far?

16:06:18 <DanCon> oh; I guess I see.

16:06:37 * DanCon tries to grab some folk@MIT

16:06:50 <Zakim> +??P1

16:06:53 * jhendler solved

16:06:54 <pfps> its ok now

16:07:17 <DanCon> Zakim, ??P1 is ISWC

16:07:19 <Zakim> +ISWC; got it

16:07:33 <DanCon> Zakim, ISWC holds JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD

16:07:34 <jhendler> zakim, ISWC has guus, jim, deb, mike, ian and peter

16:07:34 <Zakim> +JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD; got it

16:07:36 <Zakim> +Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter; got it

16:08:10 <Zakim> + +1.781.271.aabb

16:08:35 <DanCon> Zakim, where is 781?

16:08:37 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.781 is Massachusetts

16:08:41 <Zakim> +??P5

16:08:47 <jhendler> regrets from Ruediker, frank, davidT, and jeremy C (who is on the beach)

16:08:51 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?

16:08:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith, ISWC, +1.781.271.aabb, ??P5

16:08:54 <Zakim> ISWC has Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter

16:08:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see mdean, libby, nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1

16:09:36 <Zakim> -John.Stanton

16:09:40 <DanCon> Zakim, DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.

16:09:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.', DanCon. Try /msg Zakim help

16:09:53 <libby> I'm here...

16:10:03 <Zakim> +John.Stanton

16:10:22 <DanCon> 1.1 scribe: Hefflin volunteered in 6Jun telcon

16:10:40 <heflin> 1.3 review minutes

16:11:06 <DanCon> pls add 1.x ftf update

16:11:09 <Zakim> +??P7

16:11:10 <Zakim> + +1.850.202.aacc - is perhaps PatH?

16:11:31 <heflin> ter Horst just joined

16:12:09 <heflin> 1.5 Action continued. Jeremy Carroll access pending

16:12:25 <heflin> 1.6 continued?

16:13:14 <heflin> 1.7 Next Meeting: Chaired by Guus

16:13:15 <jhendler> JimH and Guus will release f2f agenda in near future - hope to do it in both RDF and English

16:13:23 <heflin> Scribe will be Larry Eschelman

16:13:32 <DanCon> 18. ftf update.

16:13:44 <DanCon>http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/ftf3.html

16:14:06 <heflin> many regrets. 11 not registered yet

16:14:24 <DanCon> phayes2. hmm.

16:14:34 <Zakim> +??P6

16:14:44 <heflin> phayes: will be present at F2F

16:15:43 <heflin> Guus: telecon on 2nd day

16:15:58 <pfps> telecon 9am (to 9:45 or so) PDT

16:15:58 <heflin> Danc: on to Issues

16:16:06 <jhendler> telecon at 9AM Pacific time - second day of f2f

16:16:12 <DanCon>http://www.w3.org/2000/11/msm/showv.php3?wgid=30310&qno=n5.11

16:16:18 <heflin> 2.1 hasClass/toClass

16:16:26 <DanCon> clear preference for allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom

16:17:23 <DanCon> RESOLVED: allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom

16:17:48 <heflin> Issues 4.1 UniqueProp, 3.4 UnambiguousProp

16:18:59 <heflin> hayes: doesn't like 1tomany, manyto1. Less readable in subject property object style

16:19:14 <heflin> hayes: prefers hasOnlyOne, IsTheOnlyOne

16:19:30 <jhendler> isn't 1tomany illegal XML

16:20:04 <heflin> sorry shorthand: oneToMany is what the proposal is

16:20:23 <heflin> dean: current names are terrible

16:20:40 <heflin> Ian: proposes that we leave it longer

16:20:52 <heflin> DanC: Leave issue open

16:21:10 <heflin> Agenda Item 3: Documents

16:21:19 <heflin> 3.1 Compliance Level 1

16:21:33 <heflin> deb: had meeting in Sardinia

16:22:03 * DanCon wonders if deb can see IRC; that's a reflection of how clearly you're being heard.

16:22:18 <heflin> Had trouble hearing Deb's points. Can someone transcribe to log?

16:22:59 <DanCon> DEB!

16:24:01 <heflin> Deb: will be available in two days

16:24:05 <jhendler> Deb says - 1) One document called "feature review" that contains all language features in a short synopsis

16:24:27 <jhendler> that document asap, but not by Monday

16:24:36 <heflin> folks are willing to review document in only one week

16:24:54 <Zakim> +Jonathan.Borden

16:25:15 <jhendler> Deb says 2) proposed level change is to change cardinality to be a bit simpler, but rest like her document

16:25:27 <jhendler> possible names "owl lite" and "owl"

16:25:50 <DanCon> 17Jun + 1 week = 24 Jun, which is one week prior to the ftf, 1-2Jun.

16:26:21 <heflin> debc: where to draw the line? reduced cardinality.

16:26:28 <jhendler> 3) pfps/ian will do a document called "formal specification" which is the abst syntax document

16:26:29 <DanCon> nifty. (cardinality 0/1)

16:26:48 <jhendler> 4) mike dean to do OWL reference document (syntax)

16:27:08 * JonB waves

16:27:16 <heflin> debc: compliance level 1 not called feature synopsis

16:27:23 <DanCon> == 3.2 DAML+OIL update

16:27:43 <heflin> s/debc/deb

16:27:44 <DanCon> "OWL Syntax synopsis"

16:27:48 <DanCon> MikeD to edit.

16:28:07 <DanCon> not clear what the name/title is

16:28:38 <DanCon> MikeD: 17Jun is likely.

16:28:47 <DanCon> == 3.3 Feature Synopsis of the OWL Ontology Language

16:28:55 <jhendler> we used name ofthat document "OWL v 1.0 Reference Document" on last week's telecon, assume that is still what this is

16:29:41 <DanCon> Peter: this is now just "abstract syntax"

16:30:48 <heflin> Peter: Final version available Jun 17

16:30:52 <DanCon> ACTION PeterPS: "abstract syntax" draft for ftf 17Jun.

16:31:34 <heflin> terHorst: Has already reviewed as well

16:31:49 <DanCon> what's in the agenda as an action on Jos should be HermanT: review feature synopsis. pretty much done.

16:32:08 <heflin> Peter: believes one outstanding issue with ter Horst review

16:32:22 <heflin> 3.4 Requirements Documents

16:32:29 <jhendler> JimH agreed to review that document

16:32:36 <heflin> available for review

16:32:55 <DanCon> ACTION JimH and DanC will review as well.

16:33:01 <jhendler> DanC said he would review if (and only if) it contained a diff.

16:33:08 <DanCon> ACTION PatH: to review requirements

16:33:13 <DanCon> ACTION Welty to review.

16:33:39 <DanCon> == 3.5 XML Presentation Syntax

16:34:16 <DanCon> PeterPS: I've seen a few comments... from De Roo, Borden.

16:34:44 <heflin> Borden: clarifying concern about rdf:ID as a qname

16:34:47 <DanCon> Borden: rdf:ID="xsd:integer" <- rdf:IDs don't take qnames.

16:35:11 <heflin> Borden: Please use something other than rdf:ID

16:36:03 <heflin> jim: document cannot be incompatible with published standards before working draft status

16:37:49 <heflin> Borden: 1) need to do a good syntax. 2) when reusing a name, must use it as it was used before

16:38:47 <DanCon> ACTION JeffH to review continues. pending "actual syntax" draft.

16:38:57 <DanCon> ACTION RaphaelV to review continues.

16:38:57 <jhendler> zakim, iswc also contains raphael

16:39:00 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it

16:39:00 <heflin> hayes: call it pps:id or something not rdf:id

16:39:30 <DanCon> ACTION PeterPS: draft for ftf Monday, 17Jun.

16:40:01 <Zakim> -??P5

16:40:02 <DanCon> ---- AOB

16:40:05 <heflin> Evan: UML Presentation Syntax

16:40:11 <heflin> Evan: version done by June 24

16:40:25 <heflin> ACTION: Evan: Presentation Syntax by 24 June

16:40:26 * RRSAgent records action 1

16:41:21 <heflin> Hendler: Propose topic for F2F to Hendler or Guus by Monday morning

16:42:38 <DanCon> --- ISWC update

16:42:44 <DanCon> PFPS won best paper.

16:44:02 <Zakim> -M.Smith

16:44:12 <DanCon> Fla Oct 2003 <- where/when for next ISWC. suggestion.

16:44:44 <Zakim> -Marwan.Sabbouh

16:44:52 <Zakim> -Evan.Wallace

16:44:53 <Zakim> -??P35

16:44:55 <Zakim> -??P0

16:44:56 <Zakim> -??P31

16:44:57 <Zakim> -John.Stanton

16:44:58 <Zakim> -PatH?

16:44:58 <heflin> Meeting Adjourned

16:45:01 <Zakim> -??P6

16:45:01 <Zakim> -NickG

16:45:01 <Zakim> -??P7

16:45:02 <Zakim> -ISWC

16:45:03 <Zakim> -DanC

16:45:05 <Zakim> - +1.781.271.aabb

16:45:08 <Zakim> -JeffH

16:45:09 <Zakim> -Jonathan.Borden

16:45:13 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended

16:47:09 <DanCon> logger_1, pointer?

16:47:09 <DanCon> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/webont/2002-06-13#T16-47-09

16:47:14 <DanCon> RRSAgent, pointer?

16:47:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/06/13-webont-irc#T16-47-14

16:47:31 * DanCon changes ACL for IRC log...

18:51:43 * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed